ON YA GRUM ,was going to make a comment on that ,but you said it all...(and beat me to it)...
mods should delete,above reply as people should shut up....keep there thoughts to themselves especially when not a expert...
Post some pics of your fish mate,i want to see what your got!!!!! Oh and how primo your fishes are:lol:


DFISHKEEPER love your fronnies they are beautiful i saw them when they were smaller and there just getting better with age.
Keep up the good work...
chickadee

Stunning specimens Doug.

only reason my question would have offended is if the fish were infact bad fish. if it wasnt then wouldnt a normal person laugh it off and try to explain to some 1 that obviously has no idea what they are on about. im looking at spending a few $k on moba and currently own 2 moba just trying to find out more info on "frontosa" before i out lay big $. no where did i ever say the quality of these fish were bad. all i did do is ask a question, im sure my member join date could have helped some of u know it alls figure out i know nothing.

What I have noticed with alot of mooning on Fronnies that I have kept has been stress and surroundings related, I purchased 12 Ikolas off doug a while back now, and stress them too the buggery when i selected them out and they showed no signs of mooning. When I got them home and put them in there 6ft tank they all had one bar on both sides that had a moon in it. The tank had white substrate and had no paint or background. I then put the in another tank just to try something, a dark substrate and the tank painted black on the back, I put them in and no mooning. I did the same thing this week with my Mpinbwes they had mooning while they where in there 6 foot so put them in a tank with drak sides and background and black substrate and they are stunning no mooning at all, so that is what i have put it down too.

Cheers Matt

I hope people remember that you called them "know it alls" next time you ask for advice.

Awesome fish Doug

Well u see, I am bald. I am not a bad human. But if someone went, hey Baldy. I would be offended. Funny how people want perfect barring, no marks etc. Yet it is a perfectly natural in the wild. How about make positive comments on the fish? ps; if wanting more info, you went about that the wrong way.

Very nice specimens Doug, gee they have grown. Hope all is well.

Frenchy

Awesome Pics mate wow 30cm ay :o can u put something next to it in a pic for some perspective like maybe a matchbox beside the glass? awesome awesome stuff mate i just hope mine end up that big one day!

Awesome looking fish Doug. You sure have looked after those big guys.

I find that allot of the fronts when small can have mooning in the middle bar but as they grow the moon starts to disappear. Something that I have noticed in my Mpimbwes. Now the males are 20cm+ and females 12-15+cm 99% of them don't show any mooning.

As Frenchy said they are wild fish. I have seen 'wild' fish come out of quarantine with Y bars and massive mooning. In the wild you can't stop fish breeding and having Y bars or an extra bar on one side. It's natural. There is no god there to cull one or two that aren't perfect.

Sometimes I think we are just too quick to judge a fish's quality before we have thought about it. For many years we had only Burundi's (if you could call them Burundi's, more like Aussie 6 bars) and they were all line breed to produce perfect bars and to increase the amount of blue in them. Reality is, in the wild nothing is perfect.

I hope my big guys get to a size similar to that of Doug’s.

Adam

[quote="mangrovedave"]only reason my question would have offended is if the fish were infact bad fish.


Whatever......

have seen these as well m8 think some of the girls are over 30cm , and why would he take more pic's now ?? (not much appreciantion) oh and no where at all on any of those fish in those pics have split bar or mooning have a closer look people its just a mark from a dissagrement i would say

Don't tell me the girls get a knobby head as well? Now how am I going to know girls from boys?

I have 10 juvi ikolas which I bought from a forumite who got them from doug.
If they are all going to grow over 30cm long I don't think they are all going to fit in my 6ft x 18" x 18" tank.

At which point should I be thinking of moving some out? Do they get a bit picky with each other? At the moment they are all getting on quite well.

Here are a couple of the pics. Hope you don't mind, I just luv em.



Trust me there is one in there.






Well someones always got to be the littlest.

I have some of Doug's F1 fry. This is what they can look like when they are about 22cm and a couple of years old if you take really good care of them:

Wow preedy.

Yea Brengun, you gonna need a bigger tank or they will never get to 30+ cm, plus they will start fighting, and its never a good idea to split them into smaller groups, I did this with 7 bars and had a world of problems, the dominant males only seem to get more aggressive in smaller tanks with smaller numbers.

Grum.