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Azedenkae

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  1. Ah okay, so potentially a disease/infection thing eh. Wonder what exactly it is...
  2. Mhm. As above. I'd suggest letting them breed and having the fries eventually populate the tank.
  3. Out of curiosity, how is it a deformity? Does it contribute to some sort of disease or something? Like how the EB gene in EBJDs is correlated to a reduction of fecundity?
  4. I don't think the Oscars could turn crazy and gang up on the barra. Well it's possible, but I reckon as with others, the barramundi went to heaven and the oscars had lunch.
  5. Rainbow Cichlid, Uaru, Chocolate, Blue Eyeds, Poor Man's Tropheus. Pretty much.
  6. Yes, the Ellioti. The rest I got simply because I want to keep 'em.
  7. All fish that I've kept? That are (generally not regarded as) hybrids? I've kept the following cichlids: Bay Snook, Pink Firemouth, Super Green Texas, Convict, Ellioti, Red Forest Jewel, Cobalt Blue Cichlid, Electric Yellow, Festae, Red Devil, Venustus, Angelfish, Blue Eyed. Other fish: Platties, Mollies, Bristlenose Catfish, Pictus Catfish, Dwarf Gourami, Rainbow Shark, Paradise Fish, Kuhli Loach, Guppies, Neons, White Cloud Mountain Minnows, Goldfish, Koi, Clown Loach. That's probably it I think. Might be missing a few here and there.
  8. This will get rid of your snails permanently. The clown loach will make sure EVERY snail is gone, including eggs. Well okay, maybe not definitely permanently, but will get rid of 3,567,648 of them for sure, give or take a few.
  9. I have to admit that I am wrong on one account, which I even contradicted myself in my own post just now. Crossbreeding does contribute to the problem - but it ia definitely not the major problem, which is what I addressed later on (and then contradicted myself). Now, moving on, I never said all of them were crossbreeds... some fish we find are hybrids, some aren't many specimens of most species I find are purebreds. Such as with Salvinis, Umbies, Festaes, Bay Snooks, etc. etc. There are not many hybrids of these about. The big picture is yes, crossbreeding including a purebred in general happens quite often, but I can't imagine it overshadowing the number of purebreeding going on - for every crossbred, accidental or otherwise, there'd be more purebreds out there. Rod and FJ, you actually hit the problem and the solution on the head. Many linebreed to keep the lines pure, but not enough are doing it. Not enough are selecting for high quality fish. Like you said earlier Rod, there's a difference between just willy nilly inbreeding, and inbreeding to selectively breed for something good. Heaps of people breed purebred fish, but few do it in a way to select for 'quality'. We need more people to breed high quality fish, by heavy culling, by selecting the best fish for breeding, and by not actually keeping super nice fish as display only, and actually breed them. Then we'll have more quality fish around, quality that will just keep improving. That'd how we'd be able to go from breeding quality from 4 Firemouths to breeding quality from 9 Firemouths (from my example). And the low quality Firemouths won't be included. But hey, if anyone wants to still believe that I'm a tool or in la la land and that my suggestion is pointless, by all means, believe so. I can't stop you from believing whatever you want or thinking however you want.
  10. Mate, if they're a hybrid then they're hardly either of the species anymore (which is why hybrids aren't considered true species). Though I dont get you. Are you saying the quality of the cross decreases when crossed back to a pure? Nevermind that it's not always true (many breeders cross a hybrid back to a pure specifically to obtain 'better' traits), but well what does that have to do with the quality of the pure? If you say they're crossed back and the purebreed has a decreased quality, then again, they're hardly pure anymore. They're hybrids. And even if they are, it doesn't stop other people (or even the same people) to coninue breeding purebreds. If we have 10 quality Firemouth and use 1 to crossbreed, you still have 9 to linebreed... those 9 don't suddenly become worst in quality. And if I breed that one Firemouth with whatever other species, whilst you have 2 pairs (4 pairs possibly, but let's go with a more conservative number) then you're still producing on average twice the number of quality Firemouth to my hybrids... and then if I decide to take one of my hybrids to breed with one of your offsprings, then again, we still have heaps of quality Firemouth around. Those Firemouth don't suddenly turn drab or become super deformed when one of their sibling is crossbreed somewhere else... If one keep and breed pure fish, they will always be pure fish. They wont suddenly turn un-pure if their siblings elsewhere are crossed. Lack of quality comes from lack of selective breeding, not crossbreeding. The original example that sparked this is in fact an example of this. Texans/Green Texans may be comminly crossed, so are Red Devils/Midas or other similar looking species, but there are few hybrids of Salvini around in Australia. I know because I love my hybrids just as much as purebreds and looked all over for Salvini hybrids and unlike other interesting species that could be hybridized, it's hard to find mention of Salvini hybrids in Australia. Salvinis are an example of a fish that DOESN'T seem to attribute most of its lost of quality to crossbreeding. Yes, using a fish for crossbreeding purposes removes it 'out of play' and there could be one less quality fish to linebred. However, there are so many more reasons. People keeping quality fish is a large factor, as that essentially prohibits the fish from contibuting its genes in any way. When it comes to trying to breed quality fish, worse are the one-sex display tanks. These prevents a large number of fish from being able to breed. Then there's the spread of low quality fish. Sometimes I am at fault here, as I don't like to kill my fish. Au contraire, I don't breed my 'low quality' fish either. They're for my personal entertainment. High quality are for other purposes (distribution). So back to the 10 Firemouths example. I may take one to crossbreed. Bob may take 3 for his display tank. Sam may take one to keep with a low quality fish coz he don't care. In fact, given the number of casual fish keepers out there, it's more like Maria take another to keep with a low quality fish as well. So there's four left for you to breed high quality Firemouth from, and if you're lucky, you get a pair. You probably instead will only get one, or if you're unlucky, none. And so suddenly starting with 10 high quality fish, we only have a much smaller number producing more high quality fish. Or in the worse case scenario, none, and we have to linebreed from a lower/mid quality stock. So dont tell me crossbreeding is the source of lower quality fish. P.S. If you disclude the hybrids from the species, then they will indeed have a smaller gene pool, but are no less pure. If you include hybrids with the species, then the species will be less pure but the gene pool will be larger.
  11. Lol, I'd have thought people were smart enough that I don't need to spell it out, but okay. Why would crossbreeding decrease the 'quality' of the purebred fish? When one uses a fish to crossbreed doesn't mean others can't use a different fish to breed pure... since you use the Ellioti example, does the fact that it was crossbreed magically decreases the quality of all other Ellioti? Poof, omg now all other Ellioti's quality went to the crapshoot. I don't see how other Elllioti of high 'quality' can't be used to breed more 'quality'... o.o
  12. There are three of these lists, the one in this thread is a copy and paste. Grubby's is a list of central americans around. Mine is of all americans around that can be verified. There is only one 'copy and paste' list.
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