A shame that the last few times this thread was created, it was deleted....... because all those people who contributed to it are pretty much gone now. Unless of course it was just moved to a mod subforum, in which case I would say go read those threads. A lot of effort went into constructive feedback on them. Effort that was casually discarded. If people feel their content can just be snuffed out in a second at the whim of any of the mods here, why would they bother putting effort into it? I remember putting effort into explaining why it was unlikely we could fix the Ellioti blood lines here by going into detail on my own efforts over several generations, only to have the thread removed by a mod who was selling them and didnt want to hear it. Certainly learnt me a lesson. You can't only value our content when its gone. Theres my 2 cents. I invested a fair amount of time here 20,000+ posts, much of it trying to help people having problems in the hobby. And yet my input on how to keep the forum pumping was considered "trouble making" and just deleted. Those threads had similar view counts to the most popular threads the forum has ever had (eg giant gourami billabong), and had pages of posts. We gave our suggestions when it mattered. Asking now.... you aint gonna get the answers from the people who are gone..... its not very logical.