phoenix230197 Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Hey all. I got this little guy on Sunday and today when I was doing a head count of the newbies I noticed the what looks like peeling on the top half, kinda like peeling skin after you get sunburned The spot on the fin is a bit of debris floating past from the others feeding just out of shot. Ammonia: 0 Nitrite: 0 Nitrate: 5 last water change: Sunday before "it" was added and done weekly approx 30% each time water temp: 26c dropping back to 24, Jaeger heater wasn't calibrated Tank size: 24x18x18 Filter: Eheim 2215 with 6 balls of marine pure Food, Hikari staple(Gold/Koi) and tropical Tank and filter running for nearly 12 months. Other tank mates: 1 Common BN 18 months old and and a Pearlscale goldfish 2 years old plus 3 Albino corys and a bubble eye gold. Added melafix with new additions and each day since at 5 mm/40L, and 1mm/40L Formalin Malachyte for the first time tonight after I saw this. It is hiding under/in that drift wood but since adding the formalin it seems to be more active. Should I do anything else for meds or just wait it out now. oh and happy to be corrected on the species of goldie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix230197 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 No dramatic change in this guy overnight, although seems to be a little more active since the adding the formalin and is eating and sifting thorough the substrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
none Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Formalin would have aggravated the slime coat damage. I would do a water change (large) to dilute the formalin as much as possible. Salt is the best thing you can use here and Tri-Sulpha would be highly beneficial as well. I don't like Melafix but as you are already using that product you could continue its use - up to you. Salt would be HIGHLY advantageous. P.M me for dose. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix230197 Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Thanks [MENTION=8516]none[/MENTION]! PM sent. Will do a big water change tonight when I get home from work and rinse out the filter in supachlor treated water so that I can dilute as much as possible. I was going to stop the melafix tonight anyway as 3 days since they were added to the tank. Should I get some stress coat too when i pick up the tri-sulpha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutters187 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Add salt at 4-6g/L and I would stick with formalin if you have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
none Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Thanks [MENTION=8516]none[/MENTION]! PM sent.Will do a big water change tonight when I get home from work and rinse out the filter in supachlor treated water so that I can dilute as much as possible. I was going to stop the melafix tonight anyway as 3 days since they were added to the tank. Should I get some stress coat too when i pick up the tri-sulpha? Replied to your pm. I'd avoid the stress coat. It used to be a really good product but they must have changed it and I've seen very serious side effects to its use in the last year or so. Tri-sulpha is mild & wont aggravate the tissue like Formalin does. It will also help prevent against secondary infection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix230197 Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Hopefully the little blighter is ok when I get home tonight. Thanks for the advice @none and @tutters187 I will probably take it out and put it in another isolation tank maybe a storage tub with a sponge filter Edited August 26, 2015 by phoenix230197 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix230197 Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 So the little guy didn't make it. When I got home it was very active and sifting and playing with the others. I dosed the tri-suplha as per directions and premixed in new treated water. About half an hour later found it floating behind the drift wood, not breathing or fanning. Everyone else in the tank seems happy. I decided to dose the whole tank in case anyone else may be infected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny@ageofaquariums Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Hopefully no one snacked on the corpse. Pretty nasty looking infection it had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix230197 Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Hopefully no one snacked on the corpse. Pretty nasty looking infection it had. Nah got him out before that started but the others were having their pellet dinner. Bit p'd off about it to be honest, but really nothing I can do. At least I tried to help him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny@ageofaquariums Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 True that. These sort of infections can move very fast. Imagine the damage they can do to delicate gill tissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix230197 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Well sad day today the last of the new goldies suffered the same fate as the one above. Now to see what happens with the others. Hopefully my big female pearlscale doesn't cop it. Tank is dosed with Methyl blue (standard dose) and salt. I have tri-sulpha but not sure if I should add it yet or at all. I did a big water change (90%) yesterday and dosed the MB and Salt. The last guy put up a great fight, so much so that I thought he'd make it... Now to wait it out a few weeks and hope that I haven't killed the BB in the system and to see if anything reoccurs. I think I may just leave it as is and not add any more fish. I do have about 20 Angels currently swarming in another tank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORANGEMELLY Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Replied to your pm. I'd avoid the stress coat. It used to be a really good product but they must have changed it and I've seen very serious side effects to its use in the last year or so. Tri-sulpha is mild & wont aggravate the tissue like Formalin does. It will also help prevent against secondary infection. I dont think my silver dollars liked it when I used stress coat (for the last time)...fish were fine then all of a sudden started floating around tank...I have goldfish in with them and there was no reaction from them...I lost 4 out of the 5 silver dollars..mind you..this was around the time I was having difficulty with my canister...but it happened shortly after water change, and like I said the goldfish were fine...maybe there are some fish that react to the aloe??. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
none Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I dont think my silver dollars liked it when I used stress coat (for the last time)...fish were fine then all of a sudden started floating around tank...I have goldfish in with them and there was no reaction from them...I lost 4 out of the 5 silver dollars..mind you..this was around the time I was having difficulty with my canister...but it happened shortly after water change, and like I said the goldfish were fine...maybe there are some fish that react to the aloe??. I don't think it's the aloe part as I've used it previously (old formulation) with all kinds of fish no worries. They must have changed something with the formula and when used in water for shipping it makes the water go white - VERY white and fish seem to gasp almost instantly. I've used this product in the past for probably a decade and swore by it but I will never use it again. I've seen first hand good fish killed by using it and have ruled out all other variables being to blame. Honestly Ibelieve they should re-call the product - it is not fit for sale in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
none Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Well sad day today the last of the new goldies suffered the same fate as the one above.Now to see what happens with the others. Hopefully my big female pearlscale doesn't cop it. Tank is dosed with Methyl blue (standard dose) and salt. I have tri-sulpha but not sure if I should add it yet or at all. I did a big water change (90%) yesterday and dosed the MB and Salt. The last guy put up a great fight, so much so that I thought he'd make it... Now to wait it out a few weeks and hope that I haven't killed the BB in the system and to see if anything reoccurs. I think I may just leave it as is and not add any more fish. I do have about 20 Angels currently swarming in another tank... I would most definately be using the tri-sulpha. MB with kill BB. It is great for its primarily purpose - preventing fungus. Makes it near impossible to see your fish though. Have you worked out what caused this? Serious slime coat damage like that is normally the result of a burn - be it literally - or chemical.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORANGEMELLY Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I don't think it's the aloe part as I've used it previously (old formulation) with all kinds of fish no worries. They must have changed something with the formula and when used in water for shipping it makes the water go white - VERY white and fish seem to gasp almost instantly. I've used this product in the past for probably a decade and swore by it but I will never use it again. I've seen first hand good fish killed by using it and have ruled out all other variables being to blame. Honestly Ibelieve they should re-call the product - it is not fit for sale in my opinion. Iv'e only recently been using prime to condition my water - I normally use API ...so far so good..especially because I have the choc, sev and oscar - all of whom are apparently sensitive to metals in the water and prime is supposed to be very efficient at removing these...but I will never use stress coat again...I think I would rather just do more water changes and use salt if there is a problem rather than risk using stress coat again ... Speaking of salt: I am getting another tank on monday as my mbuna tank sprung a leak...this will give me a chance to do salt with the SA's as I will be moving them into the new tank...and the corys will be going into planted tank..I will also be adding the silver dollars which are in goldfish tank...are they okay with salt?....there seems to be only 1 sev still fighting the whitespot..the others are looking really good and clear of it....the rise in water temp may have been adequate for them..the 1 sev with it is my weakest and smallest sev. The tank I am getting is a 4x2x2...119G (450L). [MENTION=8516]none[/MENTION] would you think that half a cup of salt (non-iodized rock salt ) would suffice or should I use a little bit less??..I just want to knock this white spot on the head...plus oscar had a freak out the other night and charged all over tank in the dark...he has split his lip and has a scrape on side..so salt would probably help those injuries heal better too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbunamad Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I swear by Stresscoat I used it regularly without issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny@ageofaquariums Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 If it was a chemical burn you'd expect in on more fish tho rite? Maybe ammonia burn during shipping? But yea you'd expect eye/fin damage too. Still thinkin dreaded flex here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix230197 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Yeah I'm thinking flex/Columnaris too So far only the three goldfish(now deceased) that I got last Sunday have showed this. The one in the photo was like that Tuesday and same night 1 disappeared, I found him yesterday behind a rock like the guy in the photo and now the 3rd has ended up in the same . My big pearl looks ok for now. she is pretty tough though... I have added tri-sulpha to the tank tonight now too, which makes that MB last night and salt in the tank. I want to make sure my BN and 3 cory's plus Pearl to make it through this. I am going to wait until Sunday? to do the next water change as thats 3 days in meds. My water is/was perfect last Sunday before everyone was added and I used the same water in this tank as my 6 foot community and that tank is all fine this week no illness there. Heres a pic of my pearl as of about 5 mins ago: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
none Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I swear by Stresscoat I used it regularly without issues. how long past tense though? If years ago yes - it was great. [MENTION=14718]ORANGEMELLY[/MENTION] yes that salt will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
none Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) If it was a chemical burn you'd expect in on more fish tho rite? Maybe ammonia burn during shipping? But yea you'd expect eye/fin damage too. Still thinkin dreaded flex here. Yeah I'm thinking flex/Columnaris too So far only the three goldfish(now deceased) that I got last Sunday have showed this. The one in the photo was like that Tuesday and same night 1 disappeared, I found him yesterday behind a rock like the guy in the photo and now the 3rd has ended up in the same . My big pearl looks ok for now. she is pretty tough though... I have added tri-sulpha to the tank tonight now too, which makes that MB last night and salt in the tank. I want to make sure my BN and 3 cory's plus Pearl to make it through this. I am going to wait until Sunday? to do the next water change as thats 3 days in meds. My water is/was perfect last Sunday before everyone was added and I used the same water in this tank as my 6 foot community and that tank is all fine this week no illness there. Heres a pic of my pearl as of about 5 mins ago: Possibly (likely in my opinion) physical (overheat) burn during transport {maybe even combined with heater in tank}. Possible chlorine; ammonia; possible combination; possibly magnified from coming out of cold water and going into a tropical tank. Certainly Formalin would have aggravated the skin / tissue considerably. How long were the bags floated for? You will have no way of testing the water now you have added MB. In my opinion for a fish to get to that state something has happened. I see lots of slime coat / tissue "burn" damage in that first photo. IMO not columnaris in that photo. Edited August 28, 2015 by none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny@ageofaquariums Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Ever seen lime, calcium hydroxide burn on fishys before? Cant see how it would apply here..... but same sorta damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbunamad Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 [MENTION=8516]none[/MENTION] said: "how long past tense though? If years ago yes - it was great" I was using it up until 2011 and it was highly recommended by a QLDAF sponsor. Sorry [MENTION=13661]phoenix230197[/MENTION] for going off topic in your thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix230197 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Fish were floated in tank for about an hour and I did a water change in the morning using supachlor as the dechlorinater and its what I have always used in both my tanks The way I have added all my fish to the tank is: float bag in tank for about 20 mins then add approx 1 cup of tank water and float for a further 20, add another cup float further 20. I turned the heater off on Tuesday night and the tank temp at the time was 26, by wed morning it was 22 and has been there ever since. The other two fish when they died looked exactly the same. I did notice with the last one that its poo was clearish. I couldn't take pics of them as I had to hide the fish from kids, they don't take fish deaths too well. The 3 corys came home in a separate bag and are showing no ill effects and Pearl is doing as she always does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
none Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 [MENTION=8516]none[/MENTION] said:"how long past tense though? If years ago yes - it was great" I was using it up until 2011 and it was highly recommended by a QLDAF sponsor. Sorry [MENTION=13661]phoenix230197[/MENTION] for going off topic in your thread. It has changed since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
