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1. Does having a sunken log in the tank help soften the water?

2. I've heard of using Liptons teabags to soften water. Is this successful?

3. Without using chemicals or bottled treatments is there a process to soften water

naturally?

4. Does soft water always have a low PH?

5. I once heard that when hatching eggs away from the parents, once hatched the

water level needs to be lowered so that when the fry become free swimming they can

swim to the surface easier to fill their swim bladders. Fact or fiction?

6. Will water flow from a pump affect the fertilisation success, particularly in

angel fish. I'm asking because the last time these angels bred there was a high fertilisation and this time there was nothing. I had moved the pump to get it out of their way once I saw they were ready to spawn and didn't want the fry getting sucked up.

7. When using brine shrimp to feed fry, is a small amount of salt water going to

bother angel and Krib fry? Most of the online videos talk about washing the shrimp,

but we do a 20%-30% water change every day with aged water( 3 day old tap water in

a seasoned tank) and never put more than 2 tablespoons of saltwater in there with

the brine shrimp.

8. Is 3 days long enough to age water coming from the taps in Brisbane? I have a 30 gallon tank which I usually use around 10 gallons from on a daily basis, and top up with tap water afterwards. There is no smell but the water is slightly green. Can anyone see a problem with that?

9. Has anyone had a problem using logs, rocks and plants from any of Brisbanes

creeks?

10. Is there a community in SE Qld that is dedicated to dwarf Cichlids?

11. What are the winning numbers for this Thursdays Powerball?

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I can only help a bit with No. 9:

My brother has brought me driftwood he has found in freshwater. I just scrub them a bit under hot water and I've had no problems. Some people would be more cautious though and either boil them or even bake them in the oven first.

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1; yes but not quickly also depends on the type of wood, softwood is better at softening water

2; don't know, haven't heard of it

3; best way to soften water is with an ro unit but it may need to be remineralised, or use rain water

4; yes, soft water has less minerals

5; never heard of it

6; yes flow can interfere with fertilisation

7; I just pour them in with the salt water

8; I use declorinator, aging with air stone will remove chlorine but not ammonia or chloramine

9; I haven't tried, wood can leech any chemicals from the water back into the tank

10; not that I know of

11; you tell me first, i will thank you next week.

Hopefully this is a little helpful.

Cheers mick

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1: so slow, its virtually useless in a practical situation, apart from balancing other slow release items that are hardening the water

2: I wouldn't use black tea, but you can get "teabags" of terminalia on the net for that purpose

3: reverse osmosis, but costly and slow and wasteful

4: Not always, by generally yes

5: for labyrinth fishes they need to be able to get to the surface, and ideally have warm humid air to develop the labyrinth organ properly, swim bladder is totally separate.

6: most people use air powered sponge filters in breeding tanks, too little flow will encourage fungus growth on the eggs, too much will inhibit the fertilisation from occurring and make it difficult for the fry to properly feed etc. Mechanical filters will filter out particles in the water, including fry.

7: brine shrimp will be too big for the fry to eat to begin with, the salt water won't be a problem if you're not pouring heaps in.

8: AAAAAAGGHHH... Always use water ager.will work instantly and a quality one protects against heavy metals, ammonia and chloramine... Aging does none of this.

9: never tried, too risky

10: there's a cichlid society...

11: wish I did

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8: AAAAAAGGHHH... Always use water ager.will work instantly and a quality one protects against heavy metals, ammonia and chloramine... Aging does none of this.

Surely regular water changes ditches any buildup of heavy metals etc and just adding another bottle of chemicals could only enhance the problem I would have thought. I'm not being argumentative I'm a tight ass and if my wife is going to change the water every other day I don't want to be spending a fortune on bottled stuff. If you have noticed the level of Wivenhoe drop significantly in the past 2 weeks, that's her. :)

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It the heavy metals are in the water supply you're using then the level will go up by doing more waterchanges. If you want to raise fry ammonia is your worst enemy, have a read on what chloramine and ammonia do to fish before you decide not to use declorinator. Quality ones like prime and fraction only use a few mls to treat 200 litres of water so not expensive compared to losing fish or shortening their life span.

Cheers mick

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[MENTION=17072]Farmboy99[/MENTION]s h I t youareold said:

"If you have noticed the level of Wivenhoe drop significantly in the past 2 weeks, that's her. :) "

She is contributing to the community in case flooding rains come again!

Use a dechlor as [MENTION=885]smicko[/MENTION]cares said or possibly lose fish. Get a second/third job to pay for it

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Surely regular water changes ditches any buildup of heavy metals etc and just adding another bottle of chemicals could only enhance the problem I would have thought. I'm not being argumentative I'm a tight ass and if my wife is going to change the water every other day I don't want to be spending a fortune on bottled stuff. If you have noticed the level of Wivenhoe drop significantly in the past 2 weeks, that's her. :)

heavy metals is the least of your worries, it's just in the list of things aging water does not achieve. Brissie tap water has both chlorine and chloramine, chlorine will precipitate out over time. Chloramine is ammonia and chlorine bonded together and will never precipitate out, you're just doing long term damage to the fish by not using dechlorinator, it costs barely anything and what fry do survive through that torture will definitely be compromised for life.

It the heavy metals are in the water supply you're using then the level will go up by doing more waterchanges. If you want to raise fry ammonia is your worst enemy, have a read on what chloramine and ammonia do to fish before you decide not to use declorinator. Quality ones like prime and fraction only use a few mls to treat 200 litres of water so not expensive compared to losing fish or shortening their life span.

Cheers mick

it's not just the fish, it's smashing the beneficial bacteria every time a water change is done too

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1. Does having a sunken log in the tank help soften the water?

No. It will add tannins but not soften water.

2. I've heard of using Liptons teabags to soften water. Is this successful?

No it will add tannins into the water

3. Without using chemicals or bottled treatments is there a process to soften water

naturally?

No. Soft ware is water without salts. The best way is rain. Rain has other benefits. Biggest being it is free (well other than te cost of some buckets). RO is what people use if they can afford it instead of rain.

4. Does soft water always have a low PH?

Eventually. Soft water has low alkalinity so a little disturbance can go a long way. By disturbance I mean fish pop and wee.

5. I once heard that when hatching eggs away from the parents, once hatched the

water level needs to be lowered so that when the fry become free swimming they can

swim to the surface easier to fill their swim bladders. Fact or fiction?

Labyrinths fish.

6. Will water flow from a pump affect the fertilisation success, particularly in

angel fish. I'm asking because the last time these angels bred there was a high fertilisation and this time there was nothing. I had moved the pump to get it out of their way once I saw they were ready to spawn and didn't want the fry getting sucked up.

Great question. REading the rest and talking about angels and apistos, I love a good sponge filter. It is gentle on flow in the tank, it also provides a great first food. Only thing better is a big growth of java moss.

7. When using brine shrimp to feed fry, is a small amount of salt water going to

bother angel and Krib fry? Most of the online videos talk about washing the shrimp,

but we do a 20%-30% water change every day with aged water( 3 day old tap water in

a seasoned tank) and never put more than 2 tablespoons of saltwater in there with

the brine shrimp.

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8. Is 3 days long enough to age water coming from the taps in Brisbane? I have a 30 gallon tank which I usually use around 10 gallons from on a daily basis, and top up with tap water afterwards. There is no smell but the water is slightly green. Can anyone see a problem with that?

Use tank water and it has no chlorine or chloramine.

9. Has anyone had a problem using logs, rocks and plants from any of Brisbanes

creeks?

Make sure you can legally collect the stuff first. Personally I would not.

10. Is there a community in SE Qld that is dedicated to dwarf Cichlids?

Yes. It is on QLDAF. There are a few here. Me too. Dwarfs are a specialist fish and not common.

11. What are the winning numbers for this Thursdays Powerball?

1,2,3,4,5,6,7.... just as likely as any other set of numbers. Statistically you are more likely to get hit by lightening or infected by flesh eating bacteria than win lotto.

Well. You asked......

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"Hard Water" is hard because it has a high concentration of dissolved minerals and solids in it. To soften the water you need to dilute the amount of dissolved minerals and solids in the water. To do this you can run the water through a reverse osmosis (RO) filter that strips all the dissolved minerals and solids from water, but you will need to add some minerals back as fish, especially fry, need minerals for their bones and cartilage. RO units produce waste water, depending on how good the RO unit depends on how little waste water there is. RO units can also be expensive.

Or you can use rain water. But rain water absorbs pollution as it falls (which can make it acidic), also from the roof tiles as well as any waste , and can absorb minerals if the water tank is concrete (which can make it hard). You can run rain water through a basic water filter such as people add under their sinks.

Neutral water has a pH of 7.

Minerals will raise the pH. Tannins (humic and tannic acids) from driftwood, peat or Indian Almond Leaves (IAL) will acidify the water, lowering the pH.

As DeBree420 explained a water dechlorinator is recommended. There is a locally produced dechlorinator that also removes some dissolved minerals. It's called Superchlor and is sold by forum sponsor The Tech Den. A detailed descriptions can be found on his website.

I disagree with DeBree420 in regards to what size/age fry can eat baby brine shrimp (bbs). I have fed freshly hatched bbs to newly hatched apistogramma, dwarf acara, wild and fancy betta fry, and discus fry as their first food.

There isn't a club dedicated to dwarf cichlids, though there does appear to a growing interest. It just takes someone dedicated enough to try and bring such a group together.

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Thanks and quite a coincidence since i was about to post and ask about this.

http://www.thetechden.com.au/Mela_Chlor_2_litres_Chlorine_and_Ammonia_Remover_p/mc2.htm

Is this better or is it less specific to Brisbane tap water?

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Thanks and quite a coincidence since i was about to post and ask about this.

http://www.thetechden.com.au/Mela_Chlor_2_litres_Chlorine_and_Ammonia_Remover_p/mc2.htm

Is this better or is it less specific to Brisbane tap water?

It is made in Brisbane as far as I know , I hope that helps.

Have read............http://www.gandklloydjones.com.au/product-information-area-coming-soon-page-6 and go from there.

9: Apart from the nasties you might introduce into your tank, stop and think you probably are taking someone's house or hidey hole, just thinking out loud.

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