smicko Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Hi peeps, i have noticed in the reefing side of the hobby that some people lend their old equipment to people that have a failure and can't replace it straight away. I am thinking of doing the same thing for people on this forum, i went through the garage today and now have a laundry basket full of heaters, air pumps, internal filters plus 4-5 lights and a heap of spare bulbs that I no longer use. Some of the lights don't fully work, the air pumps have either lost some pressure or become noisy and the heaters have been replaced with bigger or better ones. Would I need to get these tested and tagged before I could lend them or trade them with people? I like the concept but I don't want to be responsible (sued) if anything goes wrong. Would other members here be interested in doing something like this for people in their local area? Cheers mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogboy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 No you will not need them test and tagged Smicko, that is just crazy talk! how many are double insulated anyway, geez what a world we live in, people worried about being sued for generosity. Just inspect them and make a judgement call, test and tagging is a crock of **** anyway, a little magic sticker protects you, but if expired! omg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smicko Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Maybe I spent too many years on construction sites, everything had to have a magic sticker even the radio lol. I can still hear the whs guy screaming like a nazi. Cheers mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofties Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 No you will not need them test and tagged Smicko, that is just crazy talk! how many are double insulated anyway, geez what a world we live in, people worried about being sued for generosity. Just inspect them and make a judgement call, test and tagging is a crock of **** anyway, a little magic sticker protects you, but if expired! omg! That's exactly the sort of attitude that the electrical safety office wants to stamp out. What's 'double insulated' got to do with it??? Double insulated items can kill you just as quick. Unless you're a licensed electrical contractor you have no right to make that 'judgement call'. Test and tag is not a crock, that 'little magic sticker' guarantees that the electrical item has been tested and is safe to use. At least smicko is thoughtful enough to consider those people who might use the items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litigator666 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) On a "loan" side, i used to offer stuff before for loans - help out a fellow in need BUT NOT ANYMORE as i have a couple of "loaned stuff" that didnt end up coming back home nor the person loaning saying that they needed more time to return. I have lost their numbers as i accidentally deleted details on phone. I personally wouldnt loan anything again unless i personally know the person in need. If you loaned something from me, pls RETURN it - no question asked. You may remember who you are - its been years now since the loan transaction though to remember. Edited December 12, 2015 by litigator666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase86uxb Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Ok ok I'll give ur jocks back on Monday I never liked them anyway just always thought they looked better on me... Sorry p.s if u lost my number don't see how that's my fault U could have just looked in exotic relaxation in the news papper under strong silent type ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogboy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) That's exactly the sort of attitude that the electrical safety office wants to stamp out. What's 'double insulated' got to do with it??? Double insulated items can kill you just as quick.Unless you're a licensed electrical contractor you have no right to make that 'judgement call'. Test and tag is not a crock, that 'little magic sticker' guarantees that the electrical item has been tested and is safe to use. At least smicko is thoughtful enough to consider those people who might use the items. Sure the appliance lead is fine at the time of testing. However, leaving the electricians place the appliance is swung around by the cord, squashed in the door of the car, and then dragged up the driveway by the lead, the little magic sticker says all is ok, the appliance is used and kills someone. Not sure if you understand the difference between an earthed and a double insulated appliance, what does testing a double insulated appliance prove? continuity? earth continuity? impedance? Inspect and take care of your own equipment and appliance leads, make sure the lead is taken care of, a little magic sticker will not protect you, a well taken care of appliance and appliance lead inspected BEFORE use, coupled to a functionally tested residual current device will. Do not mean to be offensive, but stickers prove nothing, that is the problem with the world people do not want to be accountable for their own actions, when is the last time you tested your rcd's at home? Does your home have rcd's, do you have magic stickers on all your equipment, did you know you can do a 1 day course now to be able to apply magic stickers. Edited December 12, 2015 by Wogboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I have seen tagged electrical gear in a workplace with a 30mm gap between the outer insulation and the wall plug with pretty blue ,brown and green wires hanging out , and that was on a wet/dry vacuum cleaner , expected to pick up wet spills on carpet . And in various other workplaces similar with extension leads etc - those stickers are only worth anything for the time of the test - so little more than a gimmick to keep lawyers and electricians employed . That said they do make employers toss the bad stuff out once in a while , otherwise they would just keep using it until it failed or electrocuted someone - whichever came sooner . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogboy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Tagging office computers and similar equipment, every five years is utter non sense, my friend has the so called appliance ticket and he recently asked me to explain "this R ****", he is a boilermaker and quite a good one but has no idea of electrical fundamentals. I have seen people lose there jobs for using perfectly sound equipment but the magic sticker being past its due date, have seen this with a out of date ladder as well. Test and tagging is a crock, granted for a tradie with tools rolling around in the back of a ute it may have a small percentage of success but it breeds complacency. Your first and foremost line of defence is keeping your equipment in a sound state, using residual current devices and personally inspecting your appliance and its associated lead periodically or even better before use. Most double insulated appliances will be visually inspected anyway, and a lot of modern equipment cannot be insulation tested. You are right pony at the time of testing the equipment is proven sound, the magic sticker will protect your complacency for six months but the magic has a limited time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofties Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Hahaha Wogboy, you really must be king of the clowns in clownsville. Keep posting, clownboy. And btw, yes I check my rcd's regularly and all my gear is tagged. Smicko, if you get stuck finding someone to do the test and tag, I'll do it for you no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogboy Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Looking down at the peasants [MENTION=14086]Lofties[/MENTION] ;-) feel free to join my court jesters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterH Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Hi peeps, i have noticed in the reefing side of the hobby that some people lend their old equipment to people that have a failure and can't replace it straight away. I am thinking of doing the same thing for people on this forum, i went through the garage today and now have a laundry basket full of heaters, air pumps, internal filters plus 4-5 lights and a heap of spare bulbs that I no longer use. Some of the lights don't fully work, the air pumps have either lost some pressure or become noisy and the heaters have been replaced with bigger or better ones. Would I need to get these tested and tagged before I could lend them or trade them with people? I like the concept but I don't want to be responsible (sued) if anything goes wrong. Would other members here be interested in doing something like this for people in their local area? Cheers mick I would be concerned with the heaters as the rubber degrades over time so you may not know if it was safe. Possibly similar with the internal filters or anything that needs to be immersed in water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaholic99 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Hi peeps, i have noticed in the reefing side of the hobby that some people lend their old equipment to people that have a failure and can't replace it straight away. I am thinking of doing the same thing for people on this forum, i went through the garage today and now have a laundry basket full of heaters, air pumps, internal filters plus 4-5 lights and a heap of spare bulbs that I no longer use. Some of the lights don't fully work, the air pumps have either lost some pressure or become noisy and the heaters have been replaced with bigger or better ones. Would I need to get these tested and tagged before I could lend them or trade them with people? I like the concept but I don't want to be responsible (sued) if anything goes wrong. Would other members here be interested in doing something like this for people in their local area? Cheers mick I like the sentiment but it would be much better for all fish keepers and their fish if some education and recommendations were provided on what additional spare equipment or safeguards could be used to prevent the need for emergency loans in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfish Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 damn them stickers they dont mean squat at fhe end of the day when a tradie can do a course and tag his own leads and stuff ivd seen tagged leads with squashed plugs ,gaffer tape over lead where the lead haz been nicked even used an angle grinder that gave you a tickle just for laughs.But it was tagged so i was sure to go home in good condition .GIMME A BREAK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unheatedtank Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I think I can sell them as is and if you return thankfully, I will buy it back as is (will f on me sometime as I get more trouble) but At lease I got it back nicely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogboy Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 damn them stickers they dont mean squat at fhe end of the day when a tradie can do a course and tag his own leads and stuffivd seen tagged leads with squashed plugs ,gaffer tape over lead where the lead haz been nicked even used an angle grinder that gave you a tickle just for laughs.But it was tagged so i was sure to go home in good condition .GIMME A BREAK Lofties does make a point about testing, especially with submersible equipment but they do not need to be test/tagged. A thorough visual inspection looking for chassis and cable damage would suffice in this instance. Plug em in test run them, inspect them for damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny@ageofaquariums Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I like the sentiment but it would be much better for all fish keepers and their fish if some education and recommendations were provided on what additional spare equipment or safeguards could be used to prevent the need for emergency loans in the first place. I agree. Some one should post tips or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase86uxb Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 [MENTION=885]smicko[/MENTION] ya tried mate .... As awalys we just talk shat instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smicko Posted December 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I agree. Some one should post tips or something. I think the person who suggested it and the person who seconded it would be two of the more knowledgeable on the subject of redundancy so I nominate [MENTION=470]aquaholic99[/MENTION] and [MENTION=9246]Donny@ageofaquariums[/MENTION] to start the thread, maybe include some cheap and easy diy as well. [MENTION=11475]Jase86uxb[/MENTION] I don't mind, I might sell it all and get another tank lol. Cheers mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogboy Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Redundancy? wachoo mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny@ageofaquariums Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I think the person who suggested it and the person who seconded it would be two of the more knowledgeable on the subject of redundancy so I nominate [MENTION=470]aquaholic99[/MENTION] and [MENTION=9246]Donny@ageofaquariums[/MENTION] to start the thread, maybe include some cheap and easy diy as well. [MENTION=11475]Jase86uxb[/MENTION] I don't mind, I might sell it all and get another tank lol. Cheers mick #26 #28 #29 http://www.qldaf.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126286&page=3&p=842168#post842168 You are welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borntobreed Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Hello Smicko, Could you please loan to me all of the above equipment? And could you deliver them to me? Please refrain from searching on Facebook or Scumtree, or you may be offended on what you may find for sale...... Someone should make a rule against that i reckon... P.S I love you micky Edited December 15, 2015 by borntobreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
