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1 hour ago, ageofaquariums said:

But we ALL order from dry goods wholesalers, even PetBarn. Without them no lfs would have any stock on their shelves.

Really!?!? So you posting that, like you don't know what I mean!?! 

But just in case. :roll: Those dry good wholesalers, that set up business to sell directly to the public. Under cutting LFS.

 

Frenchy :)

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32 minutes ago, HereFishieFishie said:

Really!?!? So you posting that, like you don't know what I mean!?! 

But just in case. :roll: Those dry good wholesalers, that set up business to sell directly to the public. Under cutting LFS.

 

Frenchy :)

Genuinely innocent question.

Are there wholesalers that sell directly to the public?

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When I first started keeping fish 50 years ago....all stores were specialist aquarium shops

There was no internet.....so the only option was a LFS....and they had a wide range of Live stock because there was no restriction on what could be imported as well as dry goods and hardware....most Pet shops didn't sell fish....there were no Warehouse Type...National stores

People who ran the store were ex-hobbyist....who new how to keep/breed fish

They had reasonable mark-up on dry-goods and hardware and had a wide range of live stock....most wanting to stock interesting species as they were still hobbyists at heart....and they had the skill to present quality fish(many personally selecting stock from wholesalers or hobbyists they bought from)....most had quite profitable businesses as there wasn't much opportunity to avoid them.

You could argue that prices were relatively higher than today....but there was a wide variety of fish available and advise was always expert

Over the years that utopia has changed dramatically......IMO

Internet has changed everything

lots of private sellers....flogging cheap live stock

Shops that only sell dry goods

Wholesalers that sell direct to the public....at prices no retailer can compete with

Significant reduction in allowable imports....first a limited number of allowable

 imports was gazetted....then biosecurity restrictions enacted.... that have effectively eliminated imports from Germany

The rise of the Pet Barn concept.....National pet stores.....run by accountants not ex-hobbyists....to a tight set of rules

Franchises can't stock fish that aren't on the list that head office has done the deal with wholesalers for.....and they can't use other suppliers

The effect of all this is prices have been driven down.....making the financial viability of LFS run by ex-hobbyist extremely difficult

PET BARN Type store aren't fussed with supplying hobbyists.....they Target those New to the hobby who don't have any knowledge of the quality of the Live stock they are buying....in point the quicker their customers kill what they've bought the sooner they are back to buy more.

I won't be here(Thank Goodness)....but I wonder what the hobby will be in another 50 years?

Tanks of virtually reality fish that are holograms??? Seems to me that's the way it's heading....enjoy it while you can.....as best you can....;)

 

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The current stats are "The overall pet population in Australia has declined by 9% since 2013 as a result of decreases in the populations of birds (down 11%) and fish (down 21%)."  Can't blame Pet Barn for this and it has not helped LFS.

Stats from  AMA Pet-Ownership-in-Australia-2016-Report

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I agree.....Pet Barn aren't "the cause"

they are a "result"

The changes I detailed in a previous post and changes to retail in general (i.e. they was no Macdonalds or Kentucky fried Chicken 50 years ago>>>>I worked part time in the first KFC in Brisbane @ Kedron....when I was 15) have led to the rise of the National Pet shop/warehouse concept and significant reduction of the number of specialist LFS

I much prefer the options I had 50 years ago....but that's progress????

 

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21 hours ago, raycam01_au said:

 

Pet barn doesnt put small shops out of business, people put small shops out of business ;)

 

And sometimes those people are the owners of said small business, passionate hobbyist doesn't always equate to quality service.

In my experience Petbarn is what it is, the fish they hold are usually cheap in type if not in price and the dry goods they hold are minimal and not the brands I like to dabble in.

But yeah many many reasons have been raised and most are valid, there is no single rhyme or reason.

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like a few others here, I have been self employed in many different businesses over the years and worked for many large ones, 

currently working for a Global business,,, so understand the ins and outs very well from both sides, 

people are far too quick to blame the chains etc for their demise, most small businesses do not have a business plan, or no vision, hence they fail in the first few years if they make it that far, unfortunately more often than not, its not the biggies that killed them.

Sad to see this happen to any business let alone a small one

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Before the internet, there was still mail order. Stores that blame their demise on competition from AOA, TechDen, Guppies etc...  should have just followed their lead. Support the online community, and focus on giving people good value for money. Look at these 3 now, they have livestock and brick and morta stores. I get there is always going to be feelings when stores fail, but the blame game ignores the need for inward reflection. Competition is not always a bad thing. Its the basis for our economy, and it keeps standards high.

:)

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4 hours ago, ageofaquariums said:

Before the internet, there was still mail order. Stores that blame their demise on competition from AOA, TechDen, Guppies etc...  should have just followed their lead. Support the online community, and focus on giving people good value for money. Look at these 3 now, they have livestock and brick and morta stores. I get there is always going to be feelings when stores fail, but the blame game ignores the need for inward reflection. Competition is not always a bad thing. Its the basis for our economy, and it keeps standards high.

:)

I know a lot of former store owners that would read your first 6 lines & say "what a load of Sh it"

No matter how many times posted.

"The expenditure of a LFS" from years ago. That Malcolm from Wetpetz,provided me to post. I still see drivel like this. How was a LFS meant to compete with a guy,selling dry goods from his home?

Like others have said, there have been steps...

Things changed once breeders started supplying LFS for the same price, as they did for private sales. I still remember very well, when a breeder was told to f off from a shop. He was selling Fronnies for $20 on the forum, after selling to the store for $20. This was probably the first big whinge I heard from LFS owners.

Anyway, this sort of story has been bashed to death. We all know small business is tough. Try to find a little hardware store, a nursery...  maybe they should of been more online savvy ;)

 

ps; Very well said Rod.

 

Frenchy :)

 

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What pet barn charge for their products is down right criminal, tie that with a 15 year old know-all pimply kid trying to advise and up sell you is the reason I shop online.

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its not criminal if the market accept it, then so be it, supply demand will play a major factor here and competition.

15yr old pimply kid's have to start somewhere, I always tell me team remember back to the first day you were on the job,

unfortunately the customers are very judgmental here, that 15 yr old kid maybe the next LFS owner if someone gives him\her a chance.

 

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If you can't learn from 15 year olds in this hobby, you have no place in the front line trenches of it. 20 years ago lfs had it much better, thats why we all look back on those years more fondly. Our customers these days are more savey, more connected. You cannot lie to them, you cannot over charge them and you cannot tell them where to go just because they sell fish on the forum. They can google your competition while in your store to check prices, they can google your advice before committing to a purchase and they can destroy your reputation with a few reviews online if you are rude to them. Respect your customers, and they will help you grow organically. Blame this, blame that....  end of the day it was your store.

 

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4 hours ago, ageofaquariums said:

Blame this, blame that....  end of the day it was your store.

 

I feel for some of the stores that have gone out of business but this is it.

I knew some store owners who simply refused to adapt, instead of changing they complained the competition and even this forums users.

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The fella that takes care of the fish department at Pet barn capalaba is quite knowledgeable also. Forgot his name, but he works at fishchicks/downstream aquatics on Wednesdays and works Petbarn other days. First Petbarn employee from the fish section i have liked lol

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11 hours ago, tutters187 said:

My girlfriend Jeanine works for Pet Barn and she would have to have the best knowledge of any pet barn employee out IMO - if you want advice or fish go see her xoxoxox

Jeanine did some time with us till they realised who they had lost. Hope all is going well. Agree with you Stace. Hope she continues to do well and gets the opportunity to advance. 

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