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Seems like a fresh shipment of these have come into Australia, and am seeing these being sold in QLD now.. well first i have seen.

Who is getting some?  Look WAY awesome.. but kind of reminds me of red hook silver dollars.. LOL!
 

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At first i was too, and am thinking why are they not?
Apparently theyre legal in QLD?

The species being sold is Piaractus bracypomus.

Have a look here and press
Ctrl + F " Piaractus brachypomus " and click on second find.

If i am not mistaken, these are legal?

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Pacus are allowed on other states - hence officially imported. 

Only allowed here are  silver dollar (spotted, normal, tiger/fasciatus) and redhooks. I unknowingly bought a blackberry silver dollar legitimately from a shop, but got a visit from the dept and agents took my fish - no compensation and i lost money for it. I even have a copy of the receipt and import papers to prove its legitimate but futile effort - charged it to experience. 

for that pacu, buy at your own risk.

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6 minutes ago, litigator666 said:

Pacus are allowed on other states - hence officially imported. 

Only allowed here are  silver dollar (spotted, normal, tiger/fasciatus) and redhooks. I unknowingly bought a blackberry silver dollar legitimately from a shop, but got a visit from the dept and agents took my fish - no compensation and i lost money for it. I even have a copy of the receipt and import papers to prove its legitimate but futile effort - charged it to experience. 

for that pacu, buy at your own risk.

Dam. How did you know you were in possession of the silver dollar if you don't mind me asking?
I know an ex-LFS who was dobbed in for selling Koi.. the fish were all killed.. not pleasant.

and yeah, i am not buying the pacu, but is definitely interesting to see who will.. 
It looks nice and all but for the price and risk, totally not worth it.

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Red belly pacu are completely legal in qld. 

 

Piranahs, pacu, (fish of the sub-family serrasalminae) other than piaractus brachypomus which is a red belly pacu. A few others are also allowed. 

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6 hours ago, inkevnito said:

At first i was too, and am thinking why are they not?
Apparently theyre legal in QLD?

The species being sold is Piaractus bracypomus.

Have a look here and press
Ctrl + F " Piaractus brachypomus " and click on second find.

If i am not mistaken, these are legal?

Yes they are legal. 

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5 hours ago, mq_camo said:

Red belly pacu are completely legal in qld. 

 

Piranahs, pacu, (fish of the sub-family serrasalminae) other than piaractus brachypomus which is a red belly pacu. A few others are also allowed. 

Oops. Did I not include the link to the noxious fish list? Lol but yeah, they are legal.

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This answers it:

Fish species already declared noxious and therefore prohibited in Queensland

Common name Scientific name
Bluegill Lepomis spp. (Centrarchidae)
Carp Cyprinus carpio (Cyprinidae)
Chinese weatherfish, weatherloach Misgurnus anguillicaudatus (Cobitididae/Cobitidae)
Climbing perch Anabas testudineus (Anabantidae)
Electric eel Electrophorus electricus (Electrophoridae)
Gambusia, mosquitofish Gambusia spp. (Poeciliidae)
Grass carp Ctenopharyngodon idella (Cyprinidae)
Largemouth bass Micropterus salmoides (Centrarchidae)
Nile perch (live) Lates niloticus (Centropomidae)
Parasitic catfish, pencil catfish, candiru catfish Family Trichomycteridae
Pike cichlids Crenicichla spp. (Cichlidae)
Piranhas, pacus Fish of the subfamily Serrasalminae (within family Characidae)— all species except Metynnis spp. and Myleus rubripinnis
Snakeheads Channa spp. (Channidae)
Tiger catfish Pseudoplatystoma fasciatum (Pimelodidae)
Tigerfishes (African), pike characin Hydrocynus spp. (subfamily Hydrocyninae or Alestinae)
Tigerfishes (South American), trahiras Erythrinus, Hoplerythrinus and Hoplias spp. (Erythrinidae)
Tilapia Tilapia, Oreochromis and Sarotherodon spp. (Cichlidae)
Walking catfish, airbreathing catfish Family Clariidae


New additions to Queensland’s declared noxious fish list after 1 August 2009
Common name Scientific name
Aba aba Gymnarchus niloticus (Gymnarchidae)
African butter catfish Schilbe mystus (Schilbeidae)
African lungfish Protopterus annectens (Protopteridae)
African pike Hepsetus odoe (Hepsetidae)
African pike-characin, tubenose poacher, fin eater Species in the subfamily Ichthyborinae
American gar, armoured gar, spotted gar, alligator gars Atractosteus spp. and Lepisosteus spp. (Lepisosteidae)
Angler, frogmouth and squarehead catfishes Chaca chaca (Chacidae)
Banded jewelfish Hemichromis fasciatus (Cichlidae)
Banded or spotted sunfish Entire family Centrachidae
Bighead carp Aristichthys nobilis (Cyprinidae)
Bottlenose, cornish jack Mormyrops anguilloides (Mormyridae)
Bowfin Amia calva (Amiidae)
Brook stickleback Culaea inconstans (Gasterosteidae)
Catla Catla catla (Cyprinidae)
Chameleon goby, striped goby Tridentiger trigonocephalus (Gobiidae)
Chinese swordfish Psephurus gladius (Polyodontidae)
Copper mahseer Neolissochilus hexagonolepis (Cyprinidae)
Electric catfish Malapterurus spp. (Malapteruridae)
European catfish, wels catfish Silurus spp. (Siluridae)
Flatnose catfish, dwarf giraffe catfish Anaspidoglanis macrostoma (Bagridae)
Forktail lates Lates microlepis (Centropomidae)
Fourspine stickleback Apeltes quadracus (Gasterosteidae)
Freshwater minnow Zacco platypus (Cyprinidae)
Giant barb Catlocarpio siamensis (Cyprinidae)
Giant cichlid, yellow belly cichlid Boulengerochromis microlepis (Cichlidae)
Marble goby Oxyeleotris marmorata (eleotridae)
Mississippi paddlefish Polyodon spathula (Polyodontidae)
Mrigal Cirrhinus cirrhosus (Cyprinidae)
Ninespine stickleback Pungitius pungitius (Gasterosteidae)
Orange fin labeo, rohu Labeo calbasu and L. rohita (Cyprinidae)
Pike characin Acestrorhynchus microlepis (Acestrorhynchidae)
Pike minnow, pike killifish Belonesox belizanus (Poeciliidae)
Pikes Esox spp. (Esocidae)
Pink, slender, greenwoods, mortimers, cunean and green happy Sargochromis spp. (Cichlidae)
Purpleface largemouth Serranochromis spp. (Cichlidae)
Pygmy sunfish Elassoma spp. (Elassomatidae)
Red swamp crayfish Procambarus clarkii (Cambaridae)
Ripsaw catfish, black doras, black shielded catfish Oxydoras spp. (Doradidae)
River carp, deccan, high backed, jungha, putitor, Thai mahseer Tor spp. (Cyprinidae)
Shiners Notropis spp. (Cyprinidae)
Silver carp Hypophthalmichthys molitrix (Cyprinidae)
Snooks Centropomus spp. (Centropomidae)
Southern redbelly dace Phoxinus erythrogaster (Cyprinidae)
Stinging catfish Heteropneustes fossilis (Heteropneustidae)
Ubangi shovelnose catfish Bagrus ubangensis (Bagridae)
Valencia toothcarp Valencia hispanica (Valenciidae)
Yellowfin goby Acanthogobius flavimanus (Gobiidae)

 

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6 hours ago, mq_camo said:

Red belly pacu are completely legal in qld. 

 

Piranahs, pacu, (fish of the sub-family serrasalminae) other than piaractus brachypomus which is a red belly pacu. A few others are also allowed. 

Where did you get that exemption from? Are you sure it was a QLD site as QLD states only exemption being Metynnis spp. and Myleus rubripinnis ..

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2 hours ago, inkevnito said:

I am sure it is legal if it has already been shipped into AU and passed BioSecurity. 
Also being sold on multiple Monster Fish FB pages. Which would be rather dumb if it werent legal.

This fish can not legally be imported. Not on the permitted import list. If it were it would be cheap - these fish are not expensive overseas.

I don't have time to read 400 pages however I'll draw your attention to the exclusions it places on Tilapia yet those two species are most definitely noxious with fines imposed for their take, keeping and sale as recently as in the lat 12 months. I suspect the exclusions are on another list however I'll make enquiries and will get back to you.

If Pacu truly have been removed from that list it will be mind-boggling to say the least...

Either way - not importable!

https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/fisheries/pest-fish/noxious-fish/tilapia

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2015C00959

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16 hours ago, inkevnito said:

https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/B/BiosecurityA14.pdf

Page 389.
"piranhas, pacus (fish of the subfamily Serrasalminae) other than Metynnis spp., Myloplus rubripinnis, Myloplus asterias, Myloplus planquettei and Piaractus brachypomus

Exactly mate. No one is saying they legal to import. They're just not declared noxious. It's right there on qld fisheries page. I'm sure at that size they came in as something else, someone mentioned silver dollar earlier didn't they. 

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On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 9:22 PM, inkevnito said:

Seen two people selling them, claimed they have been shipped from Asia ofc

If they are claiming on line that they are illegally imported, they will be got.  All the fish will quote likely be tracked down and destroyed. 

People need to understand government departments do monitor the internet. 

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12 hours ago, Kalo1993 said:

I have seen a few black pacu around rocky including one for sale at a pet shop a few years back, so if they are illegal it certainly is not policed very well.

Given the fines and ongoing consequences long after seizure - a shop owner would have to have rocks in their head to risk it. Madness.

It is policed by tip off. If you see something you wish to report contact DAFF. A report to DAFF will result in swift action being taken.

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FYI - when I have an official responce from Biosecurity and DAFF I will post it here.  In the meantime awaiting a reply:

"Your email sourcing clarification in relation to the two noxious fish species you have listed has been received and forwarded to a specified officer for a reply."
 

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4 minutes ago, johnbetta said:

this is madness at this rate there will be no fish allowed in australia we dont want that to happen

??? This is nothing new! This species was noxious and many specimens seized and destroyed 15 years or so ago. If anything has changed as is suggested above it has been removed from the list (not added) however I believe it is an error given the incorrect exemptions stated on Tilapia which are most definitely incorrect.

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