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Lack of Imports is killing the hobby

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We are losing a lot of experiences hobbyists and stores.  

My freshwater passion is dwarf cichlids and tanganyikans.  We have been able to have imports and had some good years.  Not the hobby is dead in these areas.  

It seems to me the imports have stopped dead.  

Please tell me I am wrong!

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Gingerbeer, I'm not sure but imports appeared to be easier to get back in the mid 2000's when I was actively looking for more and more species to keep. With the forum being the one place to find everything other than physical shops, I wonder if the imports are just that much harder to find now across all the digital platforms, or they're just not around anymore.

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I would be so happy when we can import datnoids....they are not risk at all of breeding and being an invasive species. Love them, but can no longer justify dropping bucket loads of money on a fish anymore.

 

So many good species out there that would be no risk at all with importing that are banned.

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Living in Rockhampton I have to depend on local fish shops and online suppliers for my fish.

At various times I have been chasing Thick Lip Gouramis, Striped Gouramis, Croaking Gouramis, Sparkling Gouramis, Curviceps Keyholes and a few others.

These have not been around for some time. Not sure if its because of the import laws or the preoccupation with Africans, L numbers etc or a combination of both.

Just recently I did pick up 6 Anomalochromis thomasi which I'd been chasing for a long time and saw Keyholes in their stock so I hold out hope that some of the others will appear at some time in the future.

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14 hours ago, vsimo said:

Living in Rockhampton I have to depend on local fish shops and online suppliers for my fish.

At various times I have been chasing Thick Lip Gouramis, Striped Gouramis, Croaking Gouramis, Sparkling Gouramis, Curviceps Keyholes and a few others.

These have not been around for some time. Not sure if its because of the import laws or the preoccupation with Africans, L numbers etc or a combination of both.

Just recently I did pick up 6 Anomalochromis thomasi which I'd been chasing for a long time and saw Keyholes in their stock so I hold out hope that some of the others will appear at some time in the future.

Vsimo, good job on getting the thomasi, great little fish. I can't find a lot of the fish that I used to keep, not exactly sure why, if they're not around, or if it's because I don't go looking across every digital platform to find them. Oh for the day when QLDAF was the be all and end all!

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lots of things contribute to where we are now in the hobby

import laws, bio security, and the shrinking hobby base

gone are a lot of the old fishrooms especially the further south you go

with the increase on water and power prices

having 20-50 tanks was nothing unusual now it's a big deal to afford running them

 

 

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3 hours ago, l2h said:

lots of things contribute to where we are now in the hobby

import laws, bio security, and the shrinking hobby base

gone are a lot of the old fishrooms especially the further south you go

with the increase on water and power prices

having 20-50 tanks was nothing unusual now it's a big deal to afford running them

I remember our little brisvegas to Sydney trip when we first met lol Yahoo chatrooms i think it was, 

people were nice then, 

people are spanks now ;)

3 hours ago, l2h said:

 

 

 

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The Hobby is pretty resilient.....

When I first started fish keeping there were no restrictions on what could be imported,

I even bought back rainbows from PNG as hand luggage....and was allowed to keep them

I remember the Cichlids Club's first import....including tilapia 

If you are keen there is always something to focus interest on.....and for everyone that leaves the hobby there is a newbie in their place

Whilst I'd love to get hold of dozens of species I've owned that aren't around anymore.....perhaps they wouldn't be as desirable if they were readily available???

Shit happens....then you die....;)

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Best thing is to find and stock up on what you really interested in before all the blood lines are polluted and crossbred. Would also be good if we can update the breeders registry to know who is doing what and if still in the game!!

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On 20/09/2017 at 6:39 AM, vsimo said:

Living in Rockhampton I have to depend on local fish shops and online suppliers for my fish.

At various times I have been chasing Thick Lip Gouramis, Striped Gouramis, Croaking Gouramis, Sparkling Gouramis, Curviceps Keyholes and a few others.

These have not been around for some time. Not sure if its because of the import laws or the preoccupation with Africans, L numbers etc or a combination of both.

Just recently I did pick up 6 Anomalochromis thomasi which I'd been chasing for a long time and saw Keyholes in their stock so I hold out hope that some of the others will appear at some time in the future.

Dude, if I lived in the tropics like you do, I would give up on Exotics and start keeping Natives or go marine and collect my own. I was up your way in July and caught some nice Rainbows in Stoney Creek (M. Splenidia), I saw some awesome Mangrove Jacks in a creek off the beach at Farnbrough. You guys in the tropics have some amazing stuff right on your doorstep. 

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On 21/09/2017 at 5:23 PM, Rod said:

The Hobby is pretty resilient.....

When I first started fish keeping there were no restrictions on what could be imported,

I even bought back rainbows from PNG as hand luggage....and was allowed to keep them

I remember the Cichlids Club's first import....including tilapia 

If you are keen there is always something to focus interest on.....and for everyone that leaves the hobby there is a newbie in their place

Whilst I'd love to get hold of dozens of species I've owned that aren't around anymore.....perhaps they wouldn't be as desirable if they were readily available???

Shit happens....then you die....;)

Great post

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On 23/09/2017 at 9:55 AM, grubby said:

Dude, if I lived in the tropics like you do, I would give up on Exotics and start keeping Natives or go marine and collect my own. I was up your way in July and caught some nice Rainbows in Stoney Creek (M. Splenidia), I saw some awesome Mangrove Jacks in a creek off the beach at Farnbrough. You guys in the tropics have some amazing stuff right on your doorstep. 

There is some awesome stuff in the waterways around here. I've always meant to get a camera and do some underwater filming like @rainbowrunner does but never got around to it. I got hooked on exotics in the early 1960's when I first saw Neon Tetras, Angelfish and Dwarf Gouramis. Got my first heated planted tank in 1971 for my 21st birthday and kept planted tanks and exotics ever since.

Did do some native collecting probably 40 years ago around Dayboro and Samford but soon went back to exotics.

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OK – I’ll take a different position.  Why are we so dependent on imports?  So many of the species kept in the hobby can be readily bred in captivity.  Take African cichlids for instance.  There are a hell of a lot more species available here in Australia today than were available in the 1980’s when I first kept them, and we had pretty much unrestricted imports then.

Why aren’t we seriously preserving the species we already have?  Why are we so dependent on continuously importing new fish?

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On 25/09/2017 at 6:22 PM, humbug said:

OK – I’ll take a different position.  Why are we so dependent on imports?  So many of the species kept in the hobby can be readily bred in captivity.  Take African cichlids for instance.  There are a hell of a lot more species available here in Australia today than were available in the 1980’s when I first kept them, and we had pretty much unrestricted imports then.

Why aren’t we seriously preserving the species we already have?  Why are we so dependent on continuously importing new fish?

Good question.  I am going to give two answers.  

Firstly in the 80's as a kid working in my Dads store.... FIRE EELS!!!!!

Secondly, the size of Australia is small.  We do not have a big enough hobby to keep a diverse range of species.  There are many specialist fish that have come in as one import and been lost.  The list is long.  The hobby is too small, and getting smaller.  As we lose fish rooms and hobby breeders, we lose specialist fish.  

Sad but True.  

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1 hour ago, Eric A said:

I know it's not right, but I honestly hold out hope the dishonest people amongst us will continue to import these fish regardless of what law is doing ;)

That's pretty much it. They only new stuff coming in is the illegal stuff. And unfortunately it's only tank busters as that is where the money is at.

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