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There's a fella around Mackay selling his platinum barra. In his tank he has 3-4 platinum and one gold. He has also had an almost pure black one the pied looking ones. The look crazy cool! 

Also there's some company that breed and export aus lungfish in Australia and they have about 8 varieties of barra, gold (xanthic) sleepy cod and have a few lungfish mutations popped up. Cant remember the name but if anyone wants to know I can dig around to find it. 

The xanthic sooty and eel-tail are my favorite. Closely followed by the xanthic australian bass? 

With turtles we have albino murrays (you posted), a leucistic eastern long-neck, hypo/albino/white (different to albino) emydura subglobosa subglobosa (or red belly sideneck/painted turtle). 

Hopefully in the next few years some more goodies keep popping up and some of the turtle mutations arent costing an arm and a leg! Haha. 

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http://www.jardiniinternational.com/fish-collection

i was actually going to buy the yellow tandanus in pic 11 and 14th, but got on the piss so went to pic up a day latter but he told me it was no longer in salable condition and died.

i would of thought that someone would be breeding those light colored tandanus by now seeing as they have popped up in different places.

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Ahh yes thats the website, cheers for that. 

Oh no way! Weird that it suddenly just died. Maybe got a better offer from someone else? Was a very nice quality one.. Yeah I thought there would be more of them also. Exotic morphs are a hell of a lot easier to find. Bummer you missed out mate, I am sure you would have been able to get some juvies out. 

There is also another guy around Mackay that got given a free xanthic sleepy cod as well. The lady just gave away her fish and happened to be part of it. Was a lucky fella! I wonder if the other xanthic fish go blind/die early/revert back and forth between normal form and xanthic form like some other fish. Ex parachromis friedrichsthalii now multifasciatus I believe. 

I have attached photos of the two turtle mutations of the emydura subglobosa subglobosa. These are not my photos. 

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yer i think thats where livefish gets thier lungfish from, as well as the $600 lamington spiny crayfish they had. if only they didnt take 8 years to reach maturity and didnt like roaming the forest floor when it rains. ive feed the same species (rusty colored form from a different location) when they were on land one rainy night they were eating fish chunks i gave them out of water on the foot path.

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Yeah I think there were 3 rare species of crayfish that were available. The lamington plateu ones (Euastacus sulcatus), Euastacus Valentulus, and Euastacus Hystricosus - (is this the rust one you hand fed?)

Very cool to see one out of the water on the footpath! Ive only seen the lamington ones. About a meter off the path on a busy walkway. At that point in my life I wasnt very familiar with crayfish except for your common ones like redclaw. So was a huge shock to see one look like that! I couldnt justify the expense of paying for those either. Will take a while for price to go down I would imagine. I would prefer a freshwater moray anyway if I was to go down the native route again. 

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On 07/04/2020 at 2:04 PM, hamishh34 said:

Yeah I think there were 3 rare species of crayfish that were available. The lamington plateu ones (Euastacus sulcatus), Euastacus Valentulus, and Euastacus Hystricosus - (is this the rust one you hand fed?)

Very cool to see one out of the water on the footpath! Ive only seen the lamington ones. About a meter off the path on a busy walkway. At that point in my life I wasnt very familiar with crayfish except for your common ones like redclaw. So was a huge shock to see one look like that! I couldnt justify the expense of paying for those either. Will take a while for price to go down I would imagine. I would prefer a freshwater moray anyway if I was to go down the native route again. 

yer we get sulcatus on the western side of the great divide too just their rusty brown red colors. ive kept some very large valentulus, or the strong crayfish. they were caught in nsw were you are allowed to catch them. i actually inquired about breeding and selling them with the qld dpi, and it was a hole heap of bullshit to do it.

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On 07/04/2020 at 2:04 PM, hamishh34 said:

Yeah I think there were 3 rare species of crayfish that were available. The lamington plateu ones (Euastacus sulcatus), Euastacus Valentulus, and Euastacus Hystricosus - (is this the rust one you hand fed?)

Very cool to see one out of the water on the footpath! Ive only seen the lamington ones. About a meter off the path on a busy walkway. At that point in my life I wasnt very familiar with crayfish except for your common ones like redclaw. So was a huge shock to see one look like that! I couldnt justify the expense of paying for those either. Will take a while for price to go down I would imagine. I would prefer a freshwater moray anyway if I was to go down the native route again. 

yer we get sulcatus on the western side of the great divide too just their rusty brown red colors. ive kept some very large valentulus, or the strong crayfish. they were caught in nsw were you are allowed to catch them. i actually inquired about breeding and selling them with the qld dpi, and it was a hole heap of bullshit to do it.

been a few years now.

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7 minutes ago, QldMick said:

yer we get sulcatus on the western side of the great divide too just their rusty brown red colors. ive kept some very large valentulus, or the strong crayfish. they were caught in nsw were you are allowed to catch them. i actually inquired about breeding and selling them with the qld dpi, and it was a hole heap of bullshit to do it.

Ahh thats cool that you were able to keep them. I only had the blueclaw and redclaw growing up. Still had some impressive sized ones but I dont think they look anywhere near as cool as the euastacus. Are they a hardy crayfish to own? That doesnt sound like the government to be overly difficult to work with haha. Would have been awesome if you could have done it. We need more connections with people in power positions. 

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5 minutes ago, QldMick said:

yer we get sulcatus on the western side of the great divide too just their rusty brown red colors. ive kept some very large valentulus, or the strong crayfish. they were caught in nsw were you are allowed to catch them. i actually inquired about breeding and selling them with the qld dpi, and it was a hole heap of bullshit to do it.

been a few years now.

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They are huge!! I particularly love the roughage/protrusions  (not sure of correct term) coming off them. Look prehistoric

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i want to keep them again in my 6x2x2 but its them or plants and ive been growing a heaps of anubias on driftwood for a while now.  if you check my other thread you can see i have gotten a little bit back into crayfish again with some cherax albidus.

 

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29 minutes ago, QldMick said:

i want to keep them again in my 6x2x2 but its them or plants and ive been growing a heaps of anubias on driftwood for a while now.  if you check my other thread you can see i have gotten a little bit back into crayfish again with some cherax albidus.

 

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Ill give it a look now.

Are they entertaining to observe in your previous 6 foot? Ive only kept them with some rougher fish/turtles so theyve always been hidden when I kept them. 

I really like the 'electric blue' ones. Really stand out! I saw some dwarf mexican crays (the orange and white ones) in a brisbane pet store a few years ago. Reckon there is many of them floating around still? Could be an interesting setup with them in a small tank. I know theyre illegal/noxious but doesnt hurt to look around haha. 

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On 14/03/2021 at 2:39 PM, QldMick said:

Came across these sleepy cod today,

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Jardini International seem to have a few of these so hopefully a few more appear in the future.. Someone up Cairns way was given one for free from a lady that didnt know what it was. Lucky fella! 

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On 15/03/2021 at 2:40 PM, hamishh34 said:

Jardini International seem to have a few of these so hopefully a few more appear in the future.. Someone up Cairns way was given one for free from a lady that didnt know what it was. Lucky fella! 

I think their wasting the time on their spiny crays, $600 (well livefish retail price) for a slow growing cray that likes cold temperature (under 25) and likes to roam around on land in rainy weather.

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Damn that cod. Dont know if I ever have seen a mutation in those big boys! 

I spoke to a wholesaler who breeds multiple Euastacus. He said that they do quite poorly in an aquarium. Either very large aquariums/ponds would be needed for success etc. I havent been able to find many people keeping them to ask first hand how they are on a non commercial scale. But $600 for an animal that may not do well in my care is far too much to ask. Slow growing doesnt phase me. I just spent a whole lot of money on a critically endangered turtle species that will take up to 20 years to reach sexual maturity haha. So 8 isnt so bad! 

Doesnt seem like the most ideal pet to bring to the market. Although some sort of setup with land with some spiny crays could be cool once they have reached an impressive size. Some of the colouration they get is insane. 

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37 minutes ago, hamishh34 said:

Damn that cod. Dont know if I ever have seen a mutation in those big boys! 

I spoke to a wholesaler who breeds multiple Euastacus. He said that they do quite poorly in an aquarium. Either very large aquariums/ponds would be needed for success etc. I havent been able to find many people keeping them to ask first hand how they are on a non commercial scale. But $600 for an animal that may not do well in my care is far too much to ask. Slow growing doesnt phase me. I just spent a whole lot of money on a critically endangered turtle species that will take up to 20 years to reach sexual maturity haha. So 8 isnt so bad! 

Doesnt seem like the most ideal pet to bring to the market. Although some sort of setup with land with some spiny crays could be cool once they have reached an impressive size. Some of the colouration they get is insane. 

Yer I've kept some of the Euastacus Valentulus (strong cray) that were legally caught in NSW, they did ok.

Here's something I found trying to find temp tolerances,

The present study investigated the critical thermal limit of a well known abundant species, Euastacus sulcatus, from central eastern Australia. Thermal limit was assessed using chronic, ongoing exposure to steadily increasing temperature, with the breakdown of physiological function tested by righting response. Distress was clearly evident in the crayfish at ~23°C (e.g. sluggish, lack of aggression), and the test criterion was met at ~27°C, with animals effectively incapacitated and unable to right themselves. Field water temperatures rarely exceed 21°C; however, any increases in environmental temperature may expose this species to temperatures where physiological stress may become problematic.

It's a real shame as I love my crays and have kept quite a few species over time. If I were to do it again I'd collect a pair of Valentulus and use a chiller on a decent sized tank, I'm not sure if these guys leave the water at all? I've witnessed euastacus sulcatus feeding on land myself but not the Vals.

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The Sulcatus are found above 300m a.s.l. while The Valentulus occurs from close to sea level to 600m a.s.l., so mabye they can handle higher temps? I'm not sure.

Here's a source of some of that info for anyone's whose interested, Freshwater Crayfish of the Genus Euastacus Clark (Decapoda: Parastacidae) from New South Wales, With a Key to all Species of the Genus (australian.museum)

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What size tank were the valentulus kept in? Were you ever able to breed them and what size did they get to with you in captivity? Sorry for all the questions! A cool species to keep. Much cheaper when legally catching them as well. As a guess I wouldnt have expected all of them to visit land. Particularly those that live in more permanent deep bodies of water. Rather than more stream type settings you see in Mt Lamington. Where I to saw sulcatus only half submerged feeding while in a shallow stream heading towards the waterfall. The first crayfish species other than blue/red claw I had seen in person and I was blown away. 

It would be interesting to talk to the commercial breeder regarding the leaving of water with the species they work with. Surely if its integral to their keeping they would have noticed it. That PDF was a cracking find. Thanks for sharing that! 

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