johnbetta Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 just got my first ever large breeding pair of 7 BAR FRONTOSA AND VERY NICE BREEDING PAIR OF THE RED SALVINI CICHLIDS hoping to breed and use fry as feeders to my 2 breeding pairs of flower horns one type fatboy bloodline and other type gold pearl fader flowerhorns male very large and pink and very big KOK on both pairs and very blood red eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdj5 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 What a waste Y don't you use convicts or guppies fry for food Wish I never sold my 7 bars fronnies yellows and JB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 Sorry John. That's makes no sense at all! Why would you do that? The fry of the 7 bar frontosa would be worth more than the guppies you sell. tdj5, yellows and johnbetta 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdj5 Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 give me the 7 bars JB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfish Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 That is just backwards and makes less than no sense retail for 4 cm salvini are about $40 ea 4 cm fronnies are $70 ea fronnies are tangs so enjoy keeping the water perameters right to breed them then when you do, they take forever to grow qnd as soon as water perameters arent perfect they sulk and stop breeding must have a lot of time on your hands to come up with schemes as epic as this one. maybe put that time to good use and catch ferals and put them in an ibc atleast if youre going to use a cichlid use something like convicts johnbetta, yellows and JB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 22 Author Report Share Posted May 22 22 hours ago, tdj5 said: What a waste Y don't you use convicts or guppies fry for food Wish I never sold my 7 bars fronnies wont feed guppy fry to other fish given once they are moved from 1 tank to an otherthey get calamanaris so wont risk it the fronnies havent breed as yet but no shop wants them and wont sell them on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 22 Author Report Share Posted May 22 4 hours ago, billfish said: That is just backwards and makes less than no sense retail for 4 cm salvini are about $40 ea 4 cm fronnies are $70 ea fronnies are tangs so enjoy keeping the water perameters right to breed them then when you do, they take forever to grow qnd as soon as water perameters arent perfect they sulk and stop breeding must have a lot of time on your hands to come up with schemes as epic as this one. maybe put that time to good use and catch ferals and put them in an ibc atleast if youre going to use a cichlid use something like convicts yeah if i had time u know i wouldnt feed cichlids to other fish but for me time is short but havent breed fonnies yet or the red salvini as yet they are worth monney but shops wont buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 22 Author Report Share Posted May 22 7 hours ago, tdj5 said: give me the 7 bars the fronnies pair arent in good health any female all ways on side male wont eat with white thick long poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 22 Author Report Share Posted May 22 10 hours ago, JB said: Sorry John. That's makes no sense at all! Why would you do that? The fry of the 7 bar frontosa would be worth more than the guppies you sell. i agree they are worth more than guppies just shops wont buy and cant sell on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 22 Author Report Share Posted May 22 when i first got them i thought it would be worth it bit of a let down as most fish now a days are they where healrhy as hell i use rain water and crushed coral and texsa holly rock and UV steralizers and extrnel filters heater set between 28 and 30 and mixed food blood worms brine shrimp mysis shrimp xyclops blood parrot granuels and daphnia fronnies wont eat any thing salvinis same wont eat at all the veja synspilum loove food jack demesye wont eat so i dont think they are worth while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Hi John, In somewhat of an attempt to help you out........ the first thing I'd say if shops won't accept 7 bar frontosa fry you need to find better shops! I could name half a dozen shops off the top of my head that would buy some tomorrow if I had fry for sale. Why can't you sell on here? Isn't that the whole idea of the forum? I've been a forum member for who knows how long now. As far back as the original QLDAF and I've only ever sold on this forum until recently when I did my FIRST gumtree sale due to how quiet the forums has become. In terms of your last past can I suggest a bit of research on the water parameters of your fish. Frontosa is a Lake Tanganyikan african cichlid. They like hard alkaline water. Pretty much the total opposite of rain water. First thing I'd do is use good old tap water with a dechlorinator. Keep using the crushed coral. Fronnies are a deep water fish. Deeper the water the cooler the temperature. I used to keep my fronnies in colder temperatures than other Tanganyikans. 28-30 is way too high. 24-25 is ideal and save you $$$ on electricity costs from your heater. Are all the fish you mentioned in your last post in the same tank? At least if anyone asks have you ever heard of anyone feeding blood parrot granules (which is a red colour enhancer created by Hikari funnily enough for blood parrots!) to frontosa I can say John does If the fish aren't eating any of that variety of food...you have some other bigger issue happening! To put it in the nicest possible way..... to broadly say that these specific types of fish aren't worth while because of the few you have aren't eating is a pretty big stretch What would you say if I said to you my Megalodon pair are a waste as they aren't eating my spirulina flake? Which takes me back to research, research, research. Cheers, Jason Stoney, billfish, QldMick and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfish Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 your first post says just got the fronnies and the salvini, yet reading into things it seems by other comments you have had them a while my first thoughts were..even tho i know fark all about most African cichlids but rainwater and tangyanikan cichlids is way off the mark rainwater and 28c is discus territory tangs need ph of 8 to 9 15 to 25dgh 25c max dim lighting large deep tanks, no one i know keeps them in less than 6x2 tanks what are the perameters of the tanks? ph,hardness and tds white stringy poo can be stress caused by inapropriate water conditions....ie rain water contributing to this , this could also be the reason behind the female lying on its side ive never seen fronnies breed in just a pair only ever in a colony guppies getting calumnaris ( i assume as i have never heard of calamanaris) just due to changing tank. or are you talking about callumanus worm? calumnaris is a gram negative bacteria so you need the meds for gram negative bacteria not gram positive, you know they get it yet you have tried to sell guppies and endlers on here numerous times , eradicating the bacteria would be my first step , as the change of tank WILL NOT suddenly make it appear, might trigger the outbreak to show its head but its got to be in there to start with if fish arent eating you have larger underlying problems that need to be addressed especially if these fish are the ones you want to breed so you can feed fry to other fish ,probably stress related ,once again coming back to rainwater are you using a uv steraliser or a clarifier? there is a difference as clarifiers wont kill everything a class 1 steriliser will and sterilisers work better in slow flow filtration setups high water turnover doesnt give the uvc time to do its job, or you have to buy a bigger steriliser to compensate for the flow my sterilisers are inline ones and set up on internal filters as the flow is way less than a canister or sump are the salvini in the same water or tank as the fronnies JB, Stoney and QldMick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangles21 Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Good on you guys for giving such informative information instead of the standard bagging most people give. have a good read of above replies John. they are full of great advice. and good luck with your fish keeping mate. johnbetta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdj5 Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 And blood worms are not for fronnies And how old are the fronnies JB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldMick Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 John if you wanted to do feeder fish, I would buy a IBC for you backyard, add guppies, swordtails, cherry shrimp and elodea + any other easy floating plants. This would be one of the easier methods of producing feeder fish. The guppies and swordtails are already wild in some of Brisbane's creeks and are often kept outside anyways. As for your fronies and stuff, either take the advice given or move them on to someone that can care for them. johnbetta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 23 Author Report Share Posted May 23 17 hours ago, JB said: Hi John, In somewhat of an attempt to help you out........ the first thing I'd say if shops won't accept 7 bar frontosa fry you need to find better shops! I could name half a dozen shops off the top of my head that would buy some tomorrow if I had fry for sale. Why can't you sell on here? Isn't that the whole idea of the forum? I've been a forum member for who knows how long now. As far back as the original QLDAF and I've only ever sold on this forum until recently when I did my FIRST gumtree sale due to how quiet the forums has become. In terms of your last past can I suggest a bit of research on the water parameters of your fish. Frontosa is a Lake Tanganyikan african cichlid. They like hard alkaline water. Pretty much the total opposite of rain water. First thing I'd do is use good old tap water with a dechlorinator. Keep using the crushed coral. Fronnies are a deep water fish. Deeper the water the cooler the temperature. I used to keep my fronnies in colder temperatures than other Tanganyikans. 28-30 is way too high. 24-25 is ideal and save you $$$ on electricity costs from your heater. Are all the fish you mentioned in your last post in the same tank? At least if anyone asks have you ever heard of anyone feeding blood parrot granules (which is a red colour enhancer created by Hikari funnily enough for blood parrots!) to frontosa I can say John does If the fish aren't eating any of that variety of food...you have some other bigger issue happening! To put it in the nicest possible way..... to broadly say that these specific types of fish aren't worth while because of the few you have aren't eating is a pretty big stretch What would you say if I said to you my Megalodon pair are a waste as they aren't eating my spirulina flake? Which takes me back to research, research, research. Cheers, Jason i keep fronnies in there own tank nothing with them same with all my other fish all on there own pairs together i do have spralina flake food and discus granuels and other types of food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 23 Author Report Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, QldMick said: John if you wanted to do feeder fish, I would buy a IBC for you backyard, add guppies, swordtails, cherry shrimp and elodea + any other easy floating plants. This would be one of the easier methods of producing feeder fish. The guppies and swordtails are already wild in some of Brisbane's creeks and are often kept outside anyways. As for your fronies and stuff, either take the advice given or move them on to someone that can care for them. i am taking on what members are saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 23 Author Report Share Posted May 23 7 hours ago, tdj5 said: And blood worms are not for fronnies And how old are the fronnies oh i didnt know that i thought black worms are a no no and tubafex worms are a no no for africans cichlids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 23 Author Report Share Posted May 23 9 hours ago, Tangles21 said: Good on you guys for giving such informative information instead of the standard bagging most people give. have a good read of above replies John. they are full of great advice. and good luck with your fish keeping mate. cheers buddy i am taking on bord whats being said and agreeing with what is being said Tangles21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 23 Author Report Share Posted May 23 16 hours ago, billfish said: your first post says just got the fronnies and the salvini, yet reading into things it seems by other comments you have had them a while my first thoughts were..even tho i know fark all about most African cichlids but rainwater and tangyanikan cichlids is way off the mark rainwater and 28c is discus territory tangs need ph of 8 to 9 15 to 25dgh 25c max dim lighting large deep tanks, no one i know keeps them in less than 6x2 tanks what are the perameters of the tanks? ph,hardness and tds white stringy poo can be stress caused by inapropriate water conditions....ie rain water contributing to this , this could also be the reason behind the female lying on its side ive never seen fronnies breed in just a pair only ever in a colony guppies getting calumnaris ( i assume as i have never heard of calamanaris) just due to changing tank. or are you talking about caumanus worm? calumnaris is a gram negative bacteria so you need the meds for gram negative bacteria not gram positive, you know they get it yet you have tried to sell guppies and endlers on here numerous times , eradicating the bacteria would be my first step , as the change of tank WILL NOT suddenly make it appear, might trigger the outbreak to show its head but its got to be in there to start with if fish arent eating you have larger underlying problems that need to be addressed especially if these fish are the ones you want to breed so you can feed fry to other fish ,probably stress related ,once again coming back to rainwater are you using a uv steraliser or a clarifier? there is a difference as clarifiers wont kill everything a class 1 steriliser will and sterilisers work better in slow flow filtration setups high water turnover doesnt give the uvc time to do its job, or you have to buy a bigger steriliser to compensate for the flow my sterilisers are inline ones and set up on internal filters as the flow is way less than a canister or sump are the salvini in the same water or tank as the fronnies my tank prameters are as follows ph 8 and gh and kh at 30 very hard water i use crushed coral and texas holly rock in all my tanks and only had fronnies and salvini for 1 week and was told about calamanarus worms being common in live bearers but can be controled with a water temp at 24 degress but when moved from 1 tank to an other it casuses an out break of them all my tanks have there own UV and are on sepret air and filter systums and all fish types keept on there own i dont keep mixed fish types together bad practise to do that some people can do it i never could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted May 23 Author Report Share Posted May 23 On 22/05/2023 at 9:30 AM, JB said: Sorry John. That's makes no sense at all! Why would you do that? The fry of the 7 bar frontosa would be worth more than the guppies you sell. the fronnies should be worth more than guppies but places like mad aquariums wont buy smiths wont bu pet city wont buy tec den wont pet domin wont buy bay fish farm dose buy of fish keepers wont buy from me though i have tryed alot of places to sell but get knocked back every time and on here i have zero luck selling on here now a days so i dont try to any more and wont go to sell at auctions my fish all ways get rejected same when i was a member of the cichlid group at baja hall so aint worth trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfish Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 ounds like time for a new hobby, if no one will buy from you , starting a breeding regime with flowerhorns might be an exerscise in futility ,especially with the size of their clutches of fry johnbetta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billfish Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 and feeding fronnies floating foods isnt a good thing as they are prone to bloat yellows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellows Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 Maybe spend time to research the conditions and food your fish need instead of worrying about trolling everyones posts. QldMick, JB, Munruben1 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbetta Posted Wednesday at 10:57 PM Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 10:57 PM On 23/05/2023 at 5:58 PM, billfish said: ounds like time for a new hobby, if no one will buy from you , starting a breeding regime with flowerhorns might be an exerscise in futility ,especially with the size of their clutches of fry yeah i think it is time to call it quits from fish keepping it dosnt matter about the fronnies now they are now DEAD and gone done with clover oil to put them to sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
