MJHJLT Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 i Have (Had) 4 banded leps i done a 25% water change and they all died i had them in with black ghost lancer catfish and plecs of course but they all died i test all the water for ammonia nitrite and nitrate ph all was good the leps were the only thing in the tank that died any idears???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-bender- Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 what else did you add to the water when you did the water change??? and whats the temp and size of the tank.... paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 i added melafix and primafix a heavy metal conditioner the size at the moment it 4 x 2 x 2 and temp was 25 i sometime add stress coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 i also got them for bay fish if that helps at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MJHJLT Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 i work at a pet shop so i got them form them havnt had much to do with them till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlefish Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 there might have been something in the new water i am not having a go at you but why do people always blame Bays i worked there for quiet a few yrs and i could not see anythings wrong with there fish or the way they keep them i have had this problem happen to me before and i couldn't work out why could there have been a chemical resdue on something u used ? a big temperature difference between the tank and the new water? could you have been adding too many chemicals at one go? chemical shock? sometimes you need to be careful what day you do a water change as councils do treat there water on certain days of the week so sometimes more then the recomended dosage rate of chlorine elim or water conditioner is needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlefish Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 also what was the reason behind you dosing the tank with melafix and primafix ? was there an underlying problem there already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 i was not blaming bay fish i was seeing if it may have been them i wanted to know from someone if they new how the fish were looked after thats all. i put half a does of mela and prima in all the time just to be safe i am always getting new fish and i use the same net and eveyting for each tank its just a safty percoution thats all no need for it exept to put slim coating back on fish just to be shore thanks for imput on bay its good to no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlefish Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 mate, we are all here to help each other, u use the same net my advise go buy some "netsan" to soak your net in that will stop the spread of dieases from tank to tank and i would only use stress coat to maintain a good slim coat some water conditions also to the same. as for just putting in pima and mel "just in case" these are a medication and too me should only be used if there is a problem not just because you think its good for " just in case" and as you are getting new fish all the time my suggestion is make up a quarintee/hospitial tank and put them in there for a week or so before putting in the main tank this has saved me alot of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage_roo Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Well I for 1 only add meds to the tank in there seams to be a problem with the fish And metal is not a good idear in any tank stainlessteel would B ok I gess And mixing all 3 may of done more harm then good Roo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 i only put mela and prima when they started droping off i do not have any metals in my tank i use a conditioner that gets rid of them i after a water change i add ph down and balck water extract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 what water ph did the leps come from. I think you may be adding to much stuff to your water. Plus your story to me is all over the shop. First you add pemafix & melafix as a precaution, then only when fish looked sick.... Now your also telling us in your post that you add ph down and balck water extract as well. What is your ph normally at? There is a chance your fish could of been sick. We can't tell that. if you work in a lfs, then spotting fishes for diseases should be a priority when fish come into the store. How long were the fish in the lfs for? Frenchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 i add mels norm once every month i added more when there was a prob the ph from work is high all the tanks are high my than is at 6ish. the fish were at work for only one week, there were no markings no nothing they were in grate condition from how they looked and i done every test uder the sun al was fine maybe a tiny bit of nitrate very little but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Work is high as in what? High is very broad. As is 6ish for your tank. If work is 8.2 & your tank is 6.1 chances are the difference was to much. Frenchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 why would that only kil them now i have had them for 2 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japes Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 i done every test uder the sun al was fine maybe a tiny bit of nitrate very little but I'd certainly hope there's some Nitrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Well from your description, couldn't tell it was 2 months! Especially when you suggested, could it be the wholesaler. You said you treated the tank once they started to look sick, what symptoms did they show? & do you really work for in a lfs? Frenchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 i no you need nitrate but sky hight nitrate can kil all i was saying was it wasnot high enough to kill, they just went to bottom of tank and next min died thats it it was wird how they died and black ghost and lancer didnt i have hared of a person who got fish from bay and they died after 2 months he is in legal battle wit them he got them checked but vet and was bas foult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I heard English is still taught in schools now days too. But who can you believe now days. Good luck if you have had fish for 2 months, tell em he's dreaming. Sounds like a good rumour too. Frenchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 so true but it doesnot matter that i cannot be worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Your right if it doesn't matter. But members here won't answer your post as you haven't made sense at all. So I would be worried, as you can't explain the deaths you have had. Chances are with no lessons learned you will make the same mistake. Just a tip for next time...you say you work in a lfs, correct? Now this was your first post on this matter. Now if you had a customer come into your store & just say this... i Have (Had) 4 banded leps i done a 25% water change and they all died i had them in with black ghost lancer catfish and plecs of course but they all died i test all the water for ammonia nitrite and nitrate ph all was good the leps were the only thing in the tank that died any idears???? What answer would you have given if that was a customer? Frenchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddo Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Ok fisrt things first banded leps are a highly teritorial fish that will harras each other, grow quite large, require a diet high in algae and spirulina. ph no higher than 6.5. Don't ever add melafix and pimafix unless the problem is their and these are only good for external problems like finrot, ulcers and the likes. Any medication added once a month even as a precaution will become useless in your tanks as the disease and parasites become ammuned to it. These fish are also not recomended for the beginner as they can be fidlly with water quality. Secondly what size tank and filtration. This will make a big difference at water change time. Also plecos and black lancer can handle greater variations in the water. Were the leps eating did you ever see them this is another problem for these fish and will often starve to death. I would have only used blackwater conditioner as using ph down at the same time will make the ph crash once again it will affect the leps first. when a ph crashes it will rise again the next day if there is nothing to keep it low so unless you tested straight after you added the chemicals you would not have had a true reading. Also what were the furnishings like in the tank this can also help to find out what problems may have occured. Please if you have had a problem more details on the tank and furnishings is helpful also any additives you may have used, from the start of the post will help clear up any confusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHJLT Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 I know they are agressive fish i had tem in there to grow up, they were eating spiralina flakes everyday i would feed them and watch them eat the tank has fake cave, real weed, and roaks alittle bit of wood for pleco they were on a low ph tested every 3rd day, as our town water is bad sometimes so i test eveything every second day, i know alot of people that add mela and prima all the time the fish person at my work recommends it and i ahve heard the rep recommend it and she is a wizz at fish a very rare kind(not to say your not good at it), Black ghosts are very fidlly y was he not effected this is wht i dont understnd?? thats y i fisrst thought it was the fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddo Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Personally I would listen to your gut. As you said the rep and shop owner it all adds up to sales. But I wouldnt really know after 30 years of keeping fish. Lets just say it would be like taking antibiotics just in case you got sick. After a while they don't work and build up in your system causing you problems see my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
