where did my pool salt post go?

[mani]

i put up a post on whether or not you could use pool salt in a marine setup... which has now disappeared. (

by the sounds of the last post looks like it can be done..

I will give it a try.. have purchased a 20kg bag of cheetham pool salt from bunnings - and will keep you guys posted.

love to see if anyone else has tried with success..

[Titlebound]

Seems like a few posts are dissapearing these days :D:D

[Motorman]

It was removed to be cleaned up b4 it got to out of hand

It will be replaced when we get a chance to do it all

From everything I have read and heard about I dont agree its the best way of going especially if you want to keep Corals

These guys need lots of trace elements and ur not going to get them in Pool Salt

Either way Im sure it has been done but how well done is the difference

I know of people who try and keep fish without a filter and to some degree it works but that doesnt make it a proper way to do it

Id suggest you ask the same question at http://www.masa.asn.au/ and that way when you get the answers you can trust the people giving it to you

Brad

[Donny@ageofaquariums]

I am bumping this up.

Why?

To say NO!

You will kill marine fish using pool salt.

You will also kill anything else marine.

the ocean is not just water and sodium chloride added to it.

depresses me so much hearing about people killing off beautiful livestock using pool salt

I mean its 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!

we have the internet and books and magazines and lfs

theres no excuse for killing marine life in such a n00b way as using pool salt.

[angry]

that way when you get the answers you can trust the people giving it to you

Prepare for Teh Don telling you how it is!

I am bumping this up.

Why?

To say NO!

You will kill marine fish using pool salt.

You will also kill anything else marine.

the ocean is not just water and sodium chloride added to it.

depresses me so much hearing about people killing off beautiful livestock using pool salt

I mean its 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!

we have the internet and books and magazines and lfs

theres no excuse for killing marine life in such a n00b way as using pool salt.

masa... pffft.....

[liquidg]

masa... pffft.....

Couldn't agree more,lol,lol,they suffer with the,we are the "high end users" condition and Donny is pretty right.

For skimmer live rock aquariums, forget it! Except for bacterial control in fish food only.

I must admit i do use pool salt! Have done so for 4 to 5 years now.

I use to buy reef salt, several different brands and found the ways that I do things; it is of no use "for me" paying that much for salt.

My uses for it are- as an additive to my home made invert/fish foods to prevent bacteria build up with using the food in a thawed out one of my squeeze bottles over a three-day period. The bacteria that forms on homemade or bought frozen fish food, kills juvenile fish in particular quite quickly.

The second reason- is for top ups of salt water from my system, if I use that water elsewhere or take something to a mates place and don’t bring that water home.

You need to understand salt water extremely well to not adversely affect your marine life by using just pool salt, unless absolutely necessary and even then, do a water change when you can to replace what the pool salt does not have in it. Which is anything beyond sodium chloride.

For me, with enough biological filtration “not live rock” providing medias of varying types to house varying microbes, the use of algae and sponges along with home made dosing combined with a natural fish food mix, from these I don’t have any problems with using pool salt at all.

Edited June 4, 2013 by liquidg

[grubby]

The anti-cakeing agent will do it for the inverts. I used to drive up to the seaward side of Bribie Island to get my seawater, made a nice day trip. Don't risk your investment in a marine tank for the sake of a $7 bag of pool salt.

[Rod]

Yeh....use the pool salt to dose your fresh water tanks....kill them too!

[liquidg]

I would never openly advise any one to use pool salt for a reef aquarium!

I would advise that if you do use it, then check for and find one that is not iodised or have dextrose and does not have sodium ferrocyanide or can be called yellow prussiate of soda, that’s the more common anti caking some pool salts have in them, but there are others. This substance is in some of our table salts that we buy as well, so just look at the ingredients in the salt that you want.

That’s one of the draw backs to the cheap good quality pool salt that I use, its a hard lump in no time and when I use it I have to break it up to do so.

These are the results with my reef/fish tanks, all with the use of pool salt. Oh and my quarantine tubs. If I type something and there is no link, it’s not from the net, It’s from me!

This is the bottom tank before the cyclone earlier this year that nearly wiped it out from near 3 days with no power.

Changed to fish tank after power outage.

Top tank before power outage.

Top tank after power after outage that contains most of my thriving inverts, including the invert survivors of the power outage.

Edited June 4, 2013 by liquidg

[liquidg]

Oh and my wife uses a small amount obviously of the same salt in her freshwater aquarium,it is very nice,for a freshwater aquarium,lol.

[Donny@ageofaquariums]

Theres a reason it took so bloody long for good quality marine salt blends to hit the market.

They are dam hard to make.

It isnt 1945 anymore.

And if you can make your own marine salt mix that does the job

then what on Earth are you doing in the aquarium hobby?

go cure cancer or something ffs

For the rest of us,

go collect actual sea water

OR just buy a commercial salt mix.

I dont want to be any more blunt than I already have.

Using pool salt instead leads to dead livestock.

[liquidg]

i put up a post on whether or not you could use pool salt in a marine setup... which has now disappeared. (

by the sounds of the last post looks like it can be done..

I will give it a try.. have purchased a 20kg bag of cheetham pool salt from bunnings - and will keep you guys posted.

love to see if anyone else has tried with success..

Mate I am not going jump on your thread and I am most certainly not as passionate as others relating to someone trying something not so much mainstream with the hobby as I do all the time with success usually. I would look closely into what is in the one you have purchased before using it. If it is not pure and then add your own elements, you will be a wasting your time and money. With my successes they have come with a lot of failures as well. Not for a lot of years, but they still happened. That is if you don’t include power failures. Also with mine, that the words seem have gone unnoticed, is I do not do major water changes with the good salt I have any way. Just small portions when needed, I don’t need to do water changes, its not that sort of a system. I am interested in your results; I wouldn’t try it with photosynthetic inverts though, they need more then just salt in water. Salt may not hold PH or KH on its own for you and that will make things a little ugly.

[liquidg]

Theres a reason it took so bloody long for good quality marine salt blends to hit the market.

They are dam hard to make.

It isnt 1945 anymore.

And if you can make your own marine salt mix that does the job

then what on Earth are you doing in the aquarium hobby?

go cure cancer or something ffs

For the rest of us,

go collect actual sea water

OR just buy a commercial salt mix.

I dont want to be any more blunt than I already have.

Using pool salt instead leads to dead livestock.

With out getting all upset and this curing cancer stuff, I would like to know how they make the reef salts on the market? I am not saying it isn’t hard, I wouldn’t have a clue, but it sounds like you do know and I am just asking what you know of the process, because I do not know of the process and I am curious as to how it is done!I am sure others would love to know as well.

[Donny@ageofaquariums]

Google to the rescue once again.

The 2 main approaches are

~ dehydration of actual seawater (eg redsea)

~ mixing by ratio all the constituents (eg tropic marin)

Tropic Marin Philosophy

both have many difficulties to over come.

Dehydration of seawater requires a perfect climate, multiple layers of filtration to remove impurities and staggered harvesting to ensure all elements and compounds are captured.

Where as successful blending of purely artificial salts, requires pure ingredients, sophisticated methods of blending minute amounts of traces into larger major ingredients, particle size grading to ensure disolve rates and most of all the capability to do it on a scale that ensures its economically viable.

I mention 1945 as I have an aquarium book here published then that lists a recipe for marine water. Theres 10 ingredients and even it is barbaric.

The use of pool salt deserves to be left behind, along with the use of putty to build aquariums.

What you see as me being upset, is actually me being fed up with people using pool salt and killing beautiful marine livestock.

Its just pointless death.

Absolutely pointless death.

You may have worked out a way to use it in top ups that works for you.

But that doesnt excuse the fact every single other person on the planet I have talked to who uses pool salt for water changes has killed their livestock.

Every one of them.

The day we could get instant ocean marine salt mix in Australia, was the day the reefing hobby actually got off its knees and started to grow.

yes we have better salts now

but that salt still does the job today.

And while your non-water change method may be bearing fruit for you.

Water changes will always be a viable method of maintaining a marine aquarium.

And they are the method I myself choose to use.

[liquidg]

That’s better and interesting.

The fruits with mine, by using nature to process all wastes and their bi products with my aquariums waters have been a long drawn out process of many eliminations and the fruits from nature’s methods, are extremely valuable and far easier then a skimmer live rock setup and just getting your head around it, is not easy.

With the aquarium you have set up, there isn’t enough room to accomplish this anyway with out a lot of building work, as is the case with quite a few peoples reef aquariums and the ways to do it, would seem to be to much work in the building of it!

So as I used to do as well, water changes are the go. Then of course some extra initial organics extraction(skimmer) before the nitrogen cycle can get a hold of wastes, is something most marine aquarium hobbyists can have the feel of “plug in` and play”.

Putty,lol,I remember our first family aquarium was built from concrete, glass viewing panels and putty and tar. It was to house the carp that came in the big floods and into our dam behind our home in the country in the 60s.We also has a pet leach of over 2 feet in length in that thing. My brother caught it, while attached to a massive craybob that had shed.

The things I think changed reef keeping the most were, advancements in powder coatings with in resistance lighting, power head-water pumps, the venturi for skimmers, chillers most can afford and the big one, LEDS.Love the LEDs!

I will try to call the salt, something like pure salt and not pool salt from now on.

This is interesting. The link has a little info on how the sodium and chloride are separated and that reinforces the need to not have earths acting up with reef aquariums electrical items, that are in the water or the chloride aspect of salt can become, not good!Plus Low PH at night or anytime it drops, enacts upon this as well with the increased electromotive forces between the base and acid that is PH

Read the bit if any one is interested on (how do salt water pools work?)Oh and Auz thought of the salt water pool way,how cool is that.

Swimming Pool / Consumer salt tips / Uses & benefits / Home - Salt Institute

Edited June 5, 2013 by liquidg