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I want to keep this tread clean so please help by not adding to it unless it is going to be helpful ie NO:- I didn't know that, that's a good idea and so on. I want to keep this thread short with as much good information. If you like it just click the like.

So please add links and low wattage quality devices...

Want to draw upon experienced fishroom keepers and links that are helpful and what has helped them.

Will start with electricity and safety...

I have a licenced electrician coming over later today and he asked what load it will have and other items of the house - total load.

I have added all the wattages of all the items that I already have so heaters - filters - pumps. I then added what I would like to expand it to.

If it is being all plugged into one socket then it has a maximum load of 10 amps

So you should not use a power board that accepts less than 10 amps..

So add all your items together and then use the below link to convert watts to amps.

Power Calculators for quick conversions.

If you have other items there here is a link for the other general household items.

Average Power Consumption of Household Appliances | Alternative & Renewable Energy - ABS Alaskan, Inc.

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should also add our power supply is 230V ac for single phase and 400Vac for 3 phase,

also the power consumption figures (max wattage printed on the product) will be more than what the electrical item will consume in a real life situation due to them not running at 100% duty cycle

also you shouldnt be able to get a powerboard rated below 10A, as a 10A GPO (powerpoint) is the smallest you can buy.

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At the heart of my fishroom is an LP60 airpump.

Yea all tanks have other filters as well.

But the LP60 is the backup life support.

The extra aeration also keeps fish alive when my fishroom gets to 35degC in summer

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Canister Filters

Brand............................Tank Size...........Output LPH............Wattage

Eheim 2211....................150..................300.......................5

Eheim 2213....................250..................400.......................8

Eheim 2232....................100..................400.......................5

Fluval 105.......................100..................480.......................9

Eheim 2234....................200..................500.......................5

Eheim 2032....................130..................500.......................5

Eheim 2222....................150..................500.......................8

Aquaone Aquis500..........120..................500.......................10.5

Eheim 2236....................300..................600.......................5

Eheim 2034....................200..................600.......................5

Resun EF-600.........................................600.......................15

Eheim 2215....................350..................620.......................15

Fluval 205.......................200..................680.......................9

Eheim 2224....................250..................700.......................8

Fluval G3........................300..................700.......................18

Aquaone Aquis700..........180..................700.......................12

Resun AE306..................150..................700.......................12

Eheim 2036....................300..................750.......................8

Resun EF-800.........................................800......................15

Resun AE308..................250..................900......................20

Eheim 2226....................350..................950......................20

Eheim 2026....................350..................950......................20

Eheim 2071....................250..................950......................12

Eheim 2217....................600..................1000....................20

Fluval 305.......................300..................1000....................15

Fluval G6........................600..................1000.....................27

Aquaone Aquis1000.........250..................1000....................20.5

Aquapro CF-1000.............200..................1000....................18

Jebo 835...............................................1000....................22

Eheim 2228....................600..................1050....................20

Eheim 2028....................600..................1050....................20

Eheim 2073....................350..................1050....................16

Boyu EFU-45...................600..................1100....................32

Otto PF300G..................400...................1200....................22

Aquaone Aquis1200........300...................1200....................22

Resun EF-1200U.....................................1200....................30

Resun AE806..................400..................1200....................30

Jebo 828...............................................1200....................28

Jebo 838...............................................1200....................28

Eheim 2075....................600..................1250....................16

Fluval 405.......................400..................1300....................21

Aquaone 2250UVC..........450..................1400....................56

Eheim 2074....................350..................1500....................35

Aquaone 2450UVC..........500..................1500....................62

Resun AE808..................600..................1500....................38

Aquapro CF-1500 ............400..................1500....................35

Aquapro CF-1500U..........400..................1500....................35

Jebo 829..............................................1500....................35

Jebo 839..............................................1500....................35

Resun EF-1600U.....................................1600....................35

Eheim 2076....................400..................1650....................35

Eheim 2080..................1200..................1700....................25

Otto PF400G..................600..................1800....................30

Eheim 2078....................700..................1850....................35

Aquapro CF-2200U..........700...................2200...................55

Fluval FX5.....................1500...................2300...................48

Eheim 2260..................1500...................2400...................65

Aquapro CFD-2600.........1000..................2400....................60

Odyssea CFS-700.............900..................2600....................48

Resun EF-2800U..............900..................2800....................60

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Sump Pumps

Model......................................LPH.....Wattage

Eheim 1000..............................300.......5

Eheim 1046..............................300.......5

Eheim 1001..............................600......11

Eheim 1048..............................600......10

Eheim 1002............................1000......23

Hailea HX-6520........................1000......35

Hailea HX-8810........................1000......17

Hailea HX-6530........................1750......50

Eheim 2000............................2000......35

Laguna Max-Flo 600.................2200......32

Eheim 1260............................2400......65

Hailea HX-8825........................2400......44

Hailea HX-6540........................2880......100

Eheim 3000............................3000......55

Hailea HX-6830........................3000......100

Eheim 1262............................3400......80

Laguna Max-Flo 900.................3400......65

Hailea HX-8850........................4900......100

Eheim 5000............................5000.......86

AquaBee UP5000....................5000.......75

Hailea HX-6840........................5000......150

Hailea HX-6550........................5580......200

AquaBee UP6000....................6000......100

Laguna Max-Flo 1500................6000.....100

AquaBee UP7000....................7000......125

Hailea HX-6850........................7000......200

Laguna Max-Flo 2000................7500......100

Hailea HX-8890........................9000......240

Laguna Max-Flo 2400................9000......100

Laguna Max-Flo 2900..............10800......130

Laguna Max-Flo 4200..............16000......160

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A Battery backup system is great for power outages, this system keeps the batteries on float charge and just runs my system on mains power, till the power goes out then automatically switches over to the invertor/battery system when the power cuts out. I get nearly 3 hours at 1000 watts(whole system), or can run an LP100 for alot longer. Steve

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Its a bit hard getting all the info in all so all help appreciated - if there is something I have missed please add.

Was going to do power heads next but there are simply too many so please add the good ones.

Here is one of my favs...

These are the quality German ones not the cheap crappy Chinese ones

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Turbelle® nanostream® 6015

(6015.000)

For aquariums from 40 to 200 litres (11 to 53 USgal.).

Flow rate: 1,800 l/h (476 US gal./h).

Energy consumption: 3,5W.

Voltage / frequency: 230V/50Hz (115V/60Hz).

Cable length: 2 m (78.7 in.).

Dimensions: diam. 70 mm (2.7 in.).

Outlet: diam. 40/15 mm (1.5 / .59 in.).

Turbelle® nanostream® 6025

(6025.000)

For aquariums from 40 to 200 litres (11 to 53 USgal.).

Flow rate: 2,800 l/h (739 US gal./h).

Energy consumption: 5W.

Voltage / frequency: 230V/50Hz (115V/60Hz).

Cable length: 2 m (78.7 in.).

Dimensions: diam. 70 mm (2.7 in.).

Outlet: diam. 40/15 mm (1.5 / .59 in.).

Turbelle® nanostream® 6045

(6045.000)

For aquariums from 40 to 500 litres (10.5 to 132 USgal.)

Flow rate: 1,500 to 4,500 l/h (396 to 1,188 USgal./h)

Energy consumption: 5 to 7 W

Voltage / frequency: 230 V / 50 Hz (115 V / 60 Hz)

Cable length: 2 m (8.7 in.)

Dimensions: diam. 70 mm (2.75 in.)

Ejection: diam. 40/15 mm (1.5 / .59 in.)

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do your homework, plan, plan, plan....

get lots of quotes, it will always cost more than you think,

it will not be strait forward, things allways pop up you wern't expecting

do it once and do it properly..haveing to fix stuff later is a PITA

here is a link to my current project. It is getting a bit epic, but there might be something in there to help out.

http://tropheusfanatics.com.au/index.php?showtopic=8793

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I was trying to wrap my head around this and think I have got it - guru's please check n confirm.

I always thought the head height was the height to which pump was capable to pump and the output at that height.

I found this handy little link to calculate head height which includes resistance being the total amount of pipe, connectors and elbows.

Fill in only STEP 2 (you will need to convert your measurements to feet and inches)

Waterfall pump calculator and stream pump calculator

Now although I have a height for the pump was 2.3 meters I had 2 x 90 degree bends and 5.8 meters of pipe and 7 attachments all up. When it calculated including resistance it gave me a head height of 3.5 meters.

Now my system is about 1000 liters and for example if I wanted to turn over the water 2.5 times and hour I would need a pump that does 2500 liters per hour at a head height of 3.5 meters.

So when you get your pump it is important to know the flow chart - here is the link for flow chart for Blagdon pumps. Different pumps will have different flows at the head heights so get the chart for the pump brand you are looking at.

Selecting the Correct Size pump

Here I go across from the head height (3.5m) to where it shows it will do 2500lph

It shows that a FH8000 will do the job.

Now I just got to keep in mind that this 2500lph is going to flow back to my sump so I need a sump big enough to handle this and the media.

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Other things to consider too, good insulation to the room will reduce power consumption dramatically. Also when dealing with a lot of equipment something is bound to trip the power circuit at some point. So if getting an electrician in, get them to run two dedicated circuits to the fish room, the. Uses one for sump pumps, canisters etc and the other for your air pumps or back filtration. That way if one trips a circuit you still have some filtration working.

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not to mention the biggest energy saver out there is solar, if you can have back up batterys storing your power rather than trickling back into the grid for pittance this is one of the biggest savers if your going big.

energy is going to 3 fold in the next 6 years so be prepared and go green. im not a solar saleperson but this technology should have been available along time ago and afordable.

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Power points are rated at 10 amp but what hasn't been mentioned is that a single power circut can contain (from memory) 10 double power points. Most houses would only have 1 or 2 power circuts. The cable used in power circuts and depending on how it is installed is rated at approx 20 amps so while you can draw 10 amps out of 1 power point you can very easily overload a circut if you get carried away. Wolverine is spot on with suggesting dedicated power circuts to the fish room however if you run 2 circuts you should have a safety switch on each one that way if something trips the safety circut it will only take out that circut.

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I'll just throw this in because by trade i'm an Electrical Fitter. Whilst my licence doesn't allow me to install 'new' circuits and what not, it allows me to repair existing equipment etc so a portion of my training was having to work out things like maximum demand, which is what your all adding up to find out.

Theres alot of things that need to be taken into consideration when putting power into a fish room which i would take as a 'wet environment'. Your socket outlets (read GPO's, power point etc) must have minimum distances from bodies of water ie baths, shower, basins, and I would take a fish tank to be one of these. This needs to be taken into account!

Mentioned before most houses only have 1 to 2 power circuits. It is a wise idea to put two seperate circuits into a fish room, one for pumps, one for aeration and what not and this is easily done, but something that no one will think of, except your sparky doing the job, is the size of your consumer mains. The consumer mains is the actual cabling coming from your take off point (overhead powerlines, green pillar box for underground) to your consumer mains board (power box). If this cabling is only rated to suit what your house/shop already has and you want to add for arguements sake another 4 seperate circuits all rated at 10A you may very well have to upgrade your consumer mains cable to a larger diameter cable to handle the extra load. Also there needs to be enough room in your mains board to accept another one or two circuit breakers! Upgrading a mains cable and a switchboard can be a very costly adventure!!

Just some food for thought, make sure you ask your sparky if your board and mains is capable of handling this!!

Cheers!!

Luke

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I'll just throw this in because by trade i'm an Electrical Fitter. Whilst my licence doesn't allow me to install 'new' circuits and what not, it allows me to repair existing equipment etc so a portion of my training was having to work out things like maximum demand, which is what your all adding up to find out.

Theres alot of things that need to be taken into consideration when putting power into a fish room which i would take as a 'wet environment'. Your socket outlets (read GPO's, power point etc) must have minimum distances from bodies of water ie baths, shower, basins, and I would take a fish tank to be one of these. This needs to be taken into account!

Mentioned before most houses only have 1 to 2 power circuits. It is a wise idea to put two seperate circuits into a fish room, one for pumps, one for aeration and what not and this is easily done, but something that no one will think of, except your sparky doing the job, is the size of your consumer mains. The consumer mains is the actual cabling coming from your take off point (overhead powerlines, green pillar box for underground) to your consumer mains board (power box). If this cabling is only rated to suit what your house/shop already has and you want to add for arguements sake another 4 seperate circuits all rated at 10A you may very well have to upgrade your consumer mains cable to a larger diameter cable to handle the extra load. Also there needs to be enough room in your mains board to accept another one or two circuit breakers! Upgrading a mains cable and a switchboard can be a very costly adventure!!

Just some food for thought, make sure you ask your sparky if your board and mains is capable of handling this!!

Cheers!!

Luke

My shed was wired up with these ideas in mind.. I had many quotes done only one sparky wanted to rerun mains, into the house as we only have 10mm mains, wanted to upgrade to 15mm it would have been heaps more.. I did get 8mm mains run to the shed, which has dedicated circuits for 15amp gpo, 5.5kw aircon, lights controlled by 3 switches ( 2 flouros per switch) so I don't have to have ALL the lights on, I also have my power on 2 circuits, each one has 5 double gpos, Shed has its own switch board, all circuits have safety switches, as well as a safety switch in the main house switch board for the shed.

The minimum distance thing is however new to me, what would that distance, be? not that it matters now, my tanks are only inches from all the outlets :econf:

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My shed was wired up with these ideas in mind.. I had many quotes done only one sparky wanted to rerun mains, into the house as we only have 10mm mains, wanted to upgrade to 15mm it would have been heaps more.. I did get 8mm mains run to the shed, which has dedicated circuits for 15amp gpo, 5.5kw aircon, lights controlled by 3 switches ( 2 flouros per switch) so I don't have to have ALL the lights on, I also have my power on 2 circuits, each one has 5 double gpos, Shed has its own switch board, all circuits have safety switches, as well as a safety switch in the main house switch board for the shed.

The minimum distance thing is however new to me, what would that distance, be? not that it matters now, my tanks are only inches from all the outlets :econf:

I'll have a look in AS3000 which is the Australian Standard Wiring Rules. Essentially the bible for all things electrical. If it doesnt specifically tell you whats required in the book itself, it'll reference another standard where it is. If you can't find it in the book it doesnt exist essentially!

Cheers!!

Luke

Keeping in mind in my trade I don't really have to reference this standard too much so reading it can be quite tricky, it can be black and white, or very vague depending on your interpretation of what it says. But i'll have a look and see what I understand it to say.

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So after i'd written a massive big spiel on what I found in AS3000:2007 on electrical near wet areas etc I did a quick little search and found an article which has directly listed what is written within AS3000 so I may as well post the link so you can read it all yourself and get a better understanding of what is considered wet areas and what zones mean and where the zones are in relation to things.

So if you want, read this and it'll give you a good understanding of whats required.

Distance between water and power points | BUILD

Cheers!!

Luke

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Correct me if i'm wrong as i'm still learning the rule book myself

I thought it only stated that it was for baths, showers and other fixed water containers..as an aquarium is usually not fixed I would think it would be exempt from these rules.

Although they may come under water features and all it says for socket outlets is that they shall not be permitted in Zone 0 or Zone 1.

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interesting, I wonder how or if this applies,

I mean any GPOs are essentially there to provide power to appliances that will be used in the water, filters heaters, power heads etc..

It would be much safer than running power boards, and extension cords around the tanks that could potentially fall in.

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Jaaakeee, it all depends on which way you look at it. If you don't tell the sparky wiring the room/building up that you intend to use a specific room as a fishroom then they'd never think twice about the placement of the socket outlets. But if you do tell them or they clue on that the room being wired up is specifically for fish tanks then they may change their tune.

Im not a full sparky by trade. My technical title is Electrical Fitter with a cert III in Electrotechnology specialising in armature winding. So in a nut shell, i'm an electric motor rewinder by trade. And put simply any electric motor, AC or DC, that burns out/craps itself/explodes/lets the smoke out, I can fully rebuild it and return it to its original condition. So anything to do with rotating magnetic fields etc is where i'm at!!!

However in saying that as a requirement for my trade training to get the full elec fitter licence we had to go through and learn all about maximum demand, consumer mains and household/industrial wiring so some of my assessments included wiring up a mock house and had to put an element from every room into the assessment. So to do the bathroom one I had to install a socket outlet in the correct zones etc.

In all honesty as long as your GPO's arent at lid height where the evap water/condensate can get to it, it should be fine. Provided that your circuits are RCD protected and trip within the allotted time at 30mA then theres not much of a problem. I've only ever heard of the s**t hitting the fan when something bad has happened and the ESO comes in and finds out who wired it up and why they didnt put them in certain places etc.

At the end of the day its all about CYA!!! Cover Your Ar*e!!

With my tank theres only one power lead coming from the tank stand. Underneath the tank i've installed a junction box, IP56 rated so splash proof not submersible, and all my appliances enter via the bottom of the junction box through IP56 rated cable glands. So essentially even if my tank bursts/cracks and water drips all over the junction box, none will actually the box and create a problem. This is all perfectly safe because i've worked out the maximum load of the entire tank running through the one cable and its more than capable of handling it. The only thing that draws a large amount of power would be the heater and its a cyclic item, so its never on 100% of the time.

Cheers!!

Luke

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