clinto86 Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Hi all today when was moving my frontosa fry into the grow tank I stumbled on my male peppermint fanning eggs (have a trio in there it is their first ever spawn) i have moved him and his cave (large piece of larva rock) into its own tank with taking the same water and have set the tank to the same temp Have never had or try ed to breed them as have been concentrating on my fronts so a few questions # should i take the eggs out and tumble them # do they take around the the seven day mark to get heads and tales (like fronts) # If they get pushed out should i tumble them # best food for the fry Any feedback, suggestions and experiences would be appreciated as am new to them Thanks in advance Clint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 food for fry timber and alge 5-7 days varys leave them alone unles they get kicked out then tumble remove anny preditors /fish make sure your water pickup is fine so baby's wont swim in the peps wont hurt thair babys and are good parents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thanks mate the male and eggs have tank to them selves have put breeding net around hang over filter to prevent getting sucked up and have a algae build up on ornaments just timber as in drift wood do you mean?? so hope fully all goes well other then that no tricks i need to know?? Will the males push the eggs out? or just abandon the cave? if things go bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brengun Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 If eggs are no good the male might kick them out or eat them. If you get fry the male will allow them to stay in the cave until after the egg sacks on the fry are absorbed. Even when fry are sneaking out and feeding on cucumber or zucchini, the male will still let a few come back home to sleep for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 OK so this will take a while then when the fry are feeding on cucumber and other food (jumping the gun a bit) but then would be the time to take the male out and put him back with the two females in the other tank?? Is this correct Have noticed them today so i should have seen movement by about seven days from now hey if not this would mean the eggs were infertile is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan013 Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 You should deffinately see movement in a few days if the eggs are still orangey coloured.. Do you feed your adults zucchini or algae wafers or anything like that? When the eggsacks are gone they should start forreging for food. If you usually feed the adults zucchini and algae wafers then add a bit extra cause the fry should get straight onto that as well.. They will also feed off the excrements (Fancy word for Poo, Cuase poo is an "icky" word) of the adults which is why its a good idea to leave them in with the parents still for a fwe weeks/ months if you have the room.... Make sure there is driftwood in the tank as its a vital source of food for them and helps them digest.. If you want the fry to survive then basically keep them in there own tank.. There breeders now, Not display fish lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Yer have run out of room for tanks lol will have some more convincing to do what would be the smallest tank you could set a trio up in as am i little pushed for space. by the way keegan the ones i got of you are still goin strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan013 Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thats good to hear mate. Well you seen my little setup. Very minimal space and all the tanks are 2 foots.. Depending on how much they breed you shouldnt need anymore then 3 or 4 tanks for fry to growout.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Quick update male is still in cave with the majority of the eggs but two have fallen out (or been pushed) one of the eggs looks like it will be no good but the other is very good with a head and a tale moving around.So have put both in the egg tumbler and will watch over them Quick question does the eggs have like a clear cause around the yellow internal (because when i started the tumbler it seemed to fall away which allowed the tale and head to move around) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 yes ... spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Do the males some times have a little break have spotted him moving around the tank a little bit also two more eggs are in the tumbler as they were pushed out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 looking for a feed close to the cave ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 have put a bit of zuchinni just out the front if he ventures again should all the eggs be at the same stage like one has eyes and tale swimming around and two are still just orange eggs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 just orange probly wont hatch ,yes they should be at the same stage ,,,unles you have 2 girls then thairs a slim chance both girls layd say a day apart this would give you two time lines for hatching ,,,lol now im confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 have two girls i not to sure am learning allot but just seems weird that one has head tale and the others even ones in the cave have none so maybe just the one egg is fertile and the rest may have missed out lol dont really know is his first time and also the females so maybe they will get better next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Quick update cleaned the tank today with the male and when moving around the piece of lavar rock were the male has been fanning 19 little explorers came out and had a swim around so have moved them into the tumblers and have put the male back with his lucky ladies so just when a thought all hope was lost my big fella has come through with the goods!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan013 Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 So how old are the free swimming fry now? I would've personally left the fry in with the adults for a good 3 or so weeks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 about a week and a half was planing to leave them but being first time am a little bit jumpie thought i might need to get the larva rock out as it has many little holes and to be honest i thought there was none in there till i started to pull it out and this way i could get them when they were in the same concentrated area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Am going to put clay breeding logs in the parents tank to make it eaiser. Hopefully if there is a next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan013 Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Ok just make sure its the same water etc.. There pretty timid little things in the first few weeks and sort of rely on the parents waste for food.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 ok mate thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 With the fry now do the work good on a 5 - 10 percent water change every two days or so??? does any one aid any meds or water treatments with them as have lost like three to fungus i think ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinto86 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 hi i have had my first spawn of peps and they are dying around three a day i think it is due to them not finding the food would you suggest a guppy fry saver?? and put the food in that so they can not escape it is this correct?? i have two sponge filters in a small 2 foot tank do you think this would be providing enough air???? are the very fragile towards heat as well?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 they are fragile sensetive in all aspects, heat, ph you shouldent need to chane water daily maby every 3rd day as for them dieing are they in the same tank as mum & dad ? as they eat thair parents timber vegi poo give them more food ? its hard to say as im not at your house looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brengun Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Where are the fry? In the parent tank or in a newly set up little tank of their own? Why I ask is that the single biggest killer is that scum that builds up on new frysavers and little tanks. You can clean it off every day until it settles but really the best idea is to set up a fry saver in the tank and leave it there. Throw a couple guppie fry or shrimp in there to keep it cycled and ready for fry. I had a dinky little floating saver I put some whip and pep fry in and lost a couple every darn day. I did clean the saver with a brush every day but it didnt seem to make any difference. I drip acclimatised them over into another tank with a seasoned fry saver that already had pep fry in and they never looked back. Temps aren't really that bad as long as it just an odd day or two and you have loads of airstone air in the tank. I had a heater jump to 35C once or more. Actually it was 35C after I did a 30% wc, so goodness knows what it was before. Never lost a whiptail or a pep fry or a shrimp as I had heaps of bubbling air in the tank. Edited January 9, 2012 by Brengun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
