The Monty Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Problem:- Fish healthy, all of a sudden sit at the bottom of the tank, wont eat, and stomachs go thin, then die Upon inspection of last body, it seems like it had no stomach on the inside or anything, and looked to have a very fine/thin brown/dark red worm, or possibly poo, coming from its bottom, about 5mm in length. Cloudiness of the esys, but I suspect its been there all night. Ph:- 6.4 Ammonia:- 0ppm Nitrate:-40ppm Nitrite:- 0ppm Gh:- 12 Kh:- 2 Size of tank:- 4ft x 18inch x 24inch Temperature °C:- 26°C Been running for:- 4 months Filtration:-Canister/Sump/Internal Filter/Sponge:- Sponge and a Jebao 1100fa with matrix, purigen, carbon and filter mat. Fish in tank:- 5 Bolivians (now 4, looks like to be 3 soon), 4 Ellioti (outgrowing everything), I had 3 Blue Rams, all died the same way. 2 Mickey Mouse Mollies, and about 8 x 4cm B/N (Common, L/F, Albino and O/S). Plants in Tank:- Wisteria, elodia, and about 6 other types, I forget the names of, but checked suitability before putting them in. Also has driftwood and river rocks, both clean. Feeding:- What food and How often - NLS Cichlid 1mm sinking pellets once a morning at 8 am. Get Bloodworms on a Saturday, but no NLS. Recent Medication Treatments:- Nil Last water change:- Sunday Water change every Day/Weekly/Monthly - Weekly 15% Any help would be great guys, kinda getting worried now. Also, had supercobwe (Ryan) over, who said it looked as if there wasnt enough oxygen for them (when the Blue Rams were sick). I have since changed the set up to how he sugggested. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raycam01_au Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 sounds like the dreaded C Worm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Ok, just looked it up, checked my sick Bolivian and Bingo. Worms So whats the best method for treating that you guys have found? Looking to get this under control asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Junkie Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Check old threads on here comes up quite alot FJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackayman Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Do some research mate but sounds like Praziquantil or similiar is required. This link might help. Aquarium Medications; Anti-Parasitic Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thanks for the help. Ill be off to Pet City today then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristlenosejohn Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Good luck mate and keep us all posted on your findings and progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronsen Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) 99% chance they are camellanus worms as raycam said. They are treatable very successfully (and the only way in my experience) with Big L sheep/cattle wormer: Sykes Big-L Worm Drench for Sheep & Cattle The Levamisole is what you require. Ill see if I can drag up the dosage rates. In saying that, it is very difficult to overdose on this product. I have treated these buggers twice over the years with a 100% success rate with no deaths. If you dont catch it early though, the insides of the fish will be permanently damaged resulting in death. Edited January 26, 2012 by Bronsen spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronsen Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 1. Add 1.5 milliliter per 7.5 liter of 7.5% Levacide (levamisole hydrochloride) to each tanks to be treated. Mix the drug in a liter of water before pouring over the tank surface. If you obtain another strength of the drug (e.g. 1.5%, 3%) then just adjust dosage as required. For 1.5% add 1 ml in 1.5l of tank water. 2. After 24 hours perform 100% (as much as possible) water change whilst vacuuming the gravel. The water change is not required due to toxicity but to remove the possibility any offspring in the gravel. 3. No further treatments should be necessary. Here is the link to the PDF for treatment: http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamellanusTreatment.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronsen Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 From my calculations (correct me if i am wrong) with the Big L product being 16g/Kg of Levamisole, that is 1.6% strength, which would make the dosage 1ml per 1.5L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronsen Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I bought mine at: Rochedale Produce, Pet and Garden Supplies - Home Address 3509 Pacific Highway, Slacks Creek Qld 4127 UBD Map 242 Ref I 5 (400m north of Ikea) Sorry for all the posts, but this is one thing I actually know a little about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangles Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I use the pig and poultery.Dose it at 1ml per 7lt.Worked for me no deaths.If you get the cattle one it is a strongerand not sure on what to does that at. Cheers Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I have herd that to be very good, hope all goes well good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thanks for your help, especially the guys at Pet City, who took time out of a busy day to put my on the right path. Tracked down some Levamisole and have dosed accordingly. I guess everyone needs thick red medicine at some stage of there life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Well I have had results, although not great ones. Treated the tank, and when I got home to do the 100% water change, it was round 8pm, kids going to bed, and it just slipped my mind. Woke up this morning (36 hours) and you couldnt see into the tank, I have obviously had a bloom over night, and has taken all the oxygen from the water. 1 dead Ellioti, 2 Bolivians, and a Mickey Mouse Molly. I managed to get the others out, all were gasping for breath, and put them in my 70L with my Thomasi's. Its a bit crowded, Ill just do daily w/c's until the other tank is sorted out. So I emptied the tank completely, and filled it, ran the pump and filter to run some fresh water through it, turned it off, and emptied it again. Double dosed on prime and Stress Zyme, and filled it up, rescaped it, and am just letting it run for a while, before putting everything back in. Water is very white at the moment, I think due to agitation of the sand. Now I have more questions. How long till I can restock the tank? Im not sure, but would the lack of oxygen have killed the bacteria in the filters, and would I need to wait for the nitrogen cycle to happen again, or will it be fine now? Also, Ive noticed the fish that I have rescued, a few have worms still hanging from the bums, they dont appear to be moving though. Are these fish going to pass the worms, and be rid of them, or do I need to treat them again? Last question, will the fish that were infected pass on the worms to the fish in the tank I have just put them in, or will they be dead from the treatment? Some info would be good, feel like a bit of a dill, and very angry with myself, but live and learn. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronsen Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) Bad news. Sorry to hear. Regarding the worms, if they are still protruding from the anus chances are they are still alive. From some of my readings the Levamisole sometimes only paralyzes the worms rather than killing them. The heavy vacuum and water change removes them dead or alive out of the gravel (once the levamisole gets the worms out of the fishes bum). On top of this: "Microscopic larvae from this parasite are constantly being produced and dumped into the water. A secondary host is necessary to carry on the life cycle. But, once established in the copepods found in most of our tanks, the nematode infection is easily transferred from hobbyist’s aquarium to aquarium with nets, feeding utensils, water change devices and simple aspiration of splashes and spray from one tank to another. This carries the infection rapidly around the hobbyists’ fish room in a matter of days." - http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamellanusTreatment.pdf Once you have the fish back in the original tank, my advice would be to treat the tank you have moved them into as a precaution. Its better to be safe than sorry. In regards to your questions regarding restocking and whether the bacteria are still alive in the original tank, i will let someone else answer. Edited January 28, 2012 by Bronsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Junkie Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Use your test kits ?????? If reading are right so is your tank FJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Junkie Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Use your test kits ?????? If reading are right so is your tank FJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Use your test kits ??????If reading are right so is your tank FJ errr, brain not thinking at the moment, didnt think of that. Hasent been the best week. Got offered a job, took it, so put in notice. Other place has since been closed down, and I have been replaced at my current job, and they dont want to keep me, other than for 2 days a week. And as a single income family, and with an investment property AND we rent, doesnt look like things are looking up. Then this, my first sons first week at school, which didnt go well (weird considering he is an angel), my car that was hit 2 months ago STILL not fixed through insurance, and finding out my wifes pregnant with no. 3, you can tell why Im not quite thinking right. I will closely monitor the fish, see how they fare over the coming weeks, might just shut the whole lot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbeer Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 What did you dose and at what rate - Big L does not do this. Did you use a bird wormer? Bird womers have sugar to make them taste nice - and that will cause an algae bloom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Absoloutely used a bird wormer, lol. Noone to blame but myself, just dissapointed. At the % I got, I worked it out to 1.125ml to 7.5L, and based dosage around this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronsen Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Id head to the place i listed before in slacks creek and get some Big L. The dosage i listed should be right, but as i said, its hard to overdose on this stuff. Hopefully this will get sorted and things start looking up!!! Sounds like you have a lot going on atm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbeer Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I have some big L here if you want it. Big L I beleive tends to knock worms out, hence best treated in a tank with a glass bottom to vacuum out the buggers. You may still have worms to deal with. For the tank the bacteria are feeding on the sweet sugar syrup. You will need to do a few big water changes to correct this problem. You may have crashed your filter too so tank may need to cycle again. Basically back to the begining for your tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Another thing to consider is with all this rain, its likely treatment plants will be upping treatment dosages to combat extra amounts of nasties. It would be wise to double dose with prime or similar and if possible filter all wc or top up water through carbon... Probably the worst time to do a water change but unfortunately you don't have a choice when dosing with meds like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Before: Ph:- 6.4 Ammonia:- 0ppm Nitrate:-40ppm Nitrite:- 0ppm Gh:- 12 Kh:- 2 After: Ph:- 7.4 Ammonia:- 0.25ppm Nitrate:-0ppm Nitrite:- 0ppm Gh:- 11 Kh:- 4 Looks like my bacteria has taken a hit. Water is clear now, Im just going to test it weekly till it all comes back to normal, then start adding again. Poor 70L tank is going to be crowded for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
