The Monty Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Well, as you most know, I had a problem with worms, then a full bloom due to idiocy on my behalf. That 4 ft tank was cleaned out, new media, and started cycling on Saturday. Tuesday morning, my filter has how died on my small tank with all the fish I transfered over. I have no other spare tanks/media/filters, etc. I have transfered all the fish over to my 4ft tank this morning, all much happier with all the space, and air, but the tank is uncycled. I have since put all the media from the 70L tank in a breeding net in the airflow, and put in the substrate, plants, rocks and caves. The question is, will this work in sustaining the fish that are in there (7 x 3-6cm B/Ns, 3 x 4cm Ellioti, 1 x Mickey Mouse Molly, 3 x 5cm Thomasi, 3 x 4 cm Bolivians). Is there anything I can do to uphold the survival rate of the fish? I feel like such a noob lately with all the retard questions, but Im just going through a tough phase in life, so I dont need to be treated like Im an idiot. Thanks Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Put the old media in with the new media and it will cycle better and quicker. Get a little amguard too Seachem. AmGuard No one knows everything dude that is why there is a forum so people can help each other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I've used stability from seachem, it say on the bottle -New tank stabilization system- Rapid & safe establishment of bio-filter Prevent "New tank syndrome" Freshwater & Marine... I guess there is others out there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 id use old media and prime as the ausie version dosent do free sampl's ;0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I used up all my stability refilling it, I guess thats a good thing. Ill get more tomorow. I also have ammolock, might keep an eye on Ammonia, and throw some in if I need too. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane.robinson Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 mate im pretty sure i have some spare media floating around that i already have in my canisters i dont think its much but i can take it out for u tomorrow if u like and just replace it with unused stuff let me know im just around the corner off underwood road send us a msg tomorrow morning. 0430201023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 And double dosed on Prime as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 the prime reckon's it locks up makes harmles ammo and nitrate but dont over do it i think you can dose 5 x in emergency all you can realy do for now is keep an eye on the paramiters and act acordingly . goodluck john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 What temp is the tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 What temp is the tank? hey dident greyham ???? have a write up about howto over come this ? seings your so quick on the old pc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Temp is 28* atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljohn_83 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 have a look in hear i cant find the one i wanted The Aquarium Nitrogen Cycle might help speed you up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 No worries temps of 30 and over they suggest to half dose prime. Personally I use Superchlor and does the job well - prefer it over Prime. Queensland Health is investigating a range of Aquarium products and we should see the results of that in the next couple of months. As the Aquarium products are pretty much unregulated there is going to be more stringent in scheduling and labeling. Those companies having nasties will have to show it on the product. Can't wait till they complete it as it will only be better for the industry and hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) sorry op off topic post there. Edited January 31, 2012 by DeadFishFloating hypocritical of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 It's not a marketing angle Donny I just really like his product. Tuffy likes Prime, I like Superchlor. Tuffy likes Holden, I like Ford and it probably is becoming the Aquarium version of Ford v's Holden. As for other just stating it will be good for hobbyists to have everything labeled well. I look forward to it. I hope it is across the board and I am not pointing anyone out. The more companies and products they test the better. I am sure you come across things and go "man how can they say that" No real side issue buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) The Monty ~ it will likely work well, as long as you feed lightly, and water change if you notice ammonia or nitrite spiking to dangerous levels. Even better if you can get an air powered sponge filter on that airline! Edited January 31, 2012 by DeadFishFloating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Its all good Donny, as you can see I was not saying do not use Prime I was saying there is another option to what has been already stated. I was trying to help with him using Prime and the temp so he would not dose incorrectly. It is trying times. I look forward to products being marketed on their strengths too. I believe this is happening and can only see good things for the hobby. I like information. It should give more confidence in the market and put companies on notice that they are accountable - all companies... If I thought a product was good would it be a miss to say so. I would hope you would for me and others would too. Hence me mentioning Amgard in the opening post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) sorry op off topic post there. Edited January 31, 2012 by DeadFishFloating hypocritical of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Yes will be a popcorn time. They say one thing someone else says something different. It will all come out in time - either way. It all goes together to get it to a point where it is better for the industry. I have had a problem with one of their products in the past so I am a little more cautious. While other products they do I like. Curiosity gets the better of me at times. Some stuff I read I have no interest in but read it all the same. Look forward to the results - not just one company but for all. The questions have been asked and asked on both sides. I find it interesting. Will take a couple of months. See what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) sorry op off topic post there. Edited January 31, 2012 by DeadFishFloating hypocritical of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 If I want to know something then I'll ask the questions and get it from the horses mouth. What other people do is up to them. I have never met Trevor, I have met Ray once for all of 20 minutes and sent a couple of pm's which would not be surprising seeing he has similar interests. So I guess we will have our own bowls of popcorn. I really like my fish and enjoy the challenge some days are good some days are bad. I treat them as good as possible. Now if a product that I use, I use it in good faith. If that faith that I have is abused well yeah I will be angry. The thing I do not get, is I would have thought you would have a interest in it and for the good of the hobby? Isn't that what it is all about? I have asked the questions that I have wanted to know the answers to and have had the responses. I now await to see the final outcome with the investigation. I make no bones about that if I find out that my good faith has been abused I will be one angry mofo. Be good to see the hobby more regulated as it is for the interest and the well being of the industry and hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I would have thought you would have a interest in it I have more of an interest in trying to stop people getting themselves into drama. Curiosity is fine. But let these 2 entitys clash, without getting caught in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monty Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Ok, checked water parameters this morning. KH - 3* GH -10* Nitrate - 10ppm amm - .5ppm nitrite - 0ppm ph - 7.6 Temp 28* Good to see I have some Nitrates in there already, bit worried about the Ammonia though, I will do a W/C today, and dose on Ammolock. Fish seem to be happy now they can swim around too, might look at getting some Congo Tetras when things are all good, so I can have some fish in the upper half of the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodalizer Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 If you have been using prime you don't need to use ammo lock, Prime will also keep the nitrite safe. It will do this for 24-48 hours. So adding each day is enough. I found when I stuffed up a tank cycle a while ago with a filter that was too small that stability added each day seemed to keep and toxicity under control also, thou it was an expensive exersise using it each day. My fish are breeding well now, so at least at the surface seemed not too harmed by the experience. I just used stability and prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 In normal tank use I think you will find that they say that Prime will bond for longer. Safe is the one that does not have stabilizers and will only bond for a short period which is why they state if you are storing the water for longer than 48 hrs it is not a good idea to use Safe. I would use the Ammolock just to take a safer option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
