mattyk Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I'm looking at setting up a new display tank towards the end of this year, trying to do it right, not skimp on things. I want to sump the new tank so i have been looking at sump pumps. I want an efficient pump, but dont want to have to spend $600 to get one 5w more efficient. What suggestions on brand etc can you guys give? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest 11 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 give kenster a pm mate hes got energy efficient pumps i got a 10,000lph pump of him and couldnt be happier with its performance, as im sure alot of people on this site have his pumps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I've got two cheapy jhq pumps running in my sump, dunno on efficiency but they have been going strong for quite some time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyk Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Do you know how efficient josh? like how many watts. yeah i get what your saying ash, thats what im trying to weigh up. do i buy cheap pumps that used twice as much power or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest 11 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 10,000lph pump with 5.0m head height is 90watts and i think i paid $150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyk Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 do you know the brand so i can research a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest 11 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 jebao Jebao Co.,Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyk Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 thanks mate. dont know if i will need a 10000lt pump, buts its a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 All depends on how long the more efficient pump will last. If it dies after only two years operation, the initial cost to buy may outweigh any savings made with efficiency, compared to the costs of a cheaper less efficient pump. You can calculate how much it's gonna cost to run each pump from the watts it uses. Then work out how long it would take to pay itself off and any savings you would make compared to using one that's not as efficient. Another thing to consider is how long you will have the pump for, as in are you likely to move / sell the setup before any savings from the efficiency are made... Afew things to consider, but even though I went the cheapy pump way, if your gomna keep the pump running for a long time, buying a dearer more efficient pump would be the logical way to go.... so long as it lasts... A long warranty would make the decision much easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwerty Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Check out the Laguna Max-Flo Power Jet Series. Age of Aquariums - Submersible Pumps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayPee Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Yep as said above. See Kenster or AOA. I have one of each the jebao and laguna more than happy with both. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyk Posted July 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 thanks everyone. helped out heaps, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 when you do your sums, don't forget to consider head height to which you're pumping water. i.e. a pump uses X watts to deliver X L/hr @ Xm head.... total volume at 0 head may be misleading when comparing pump efficiencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyk Posted July 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 really? i had just assumed that it would use X wattage regardless of wether it was at zero head or more. thought it would just be the litres per hour that dropped. factored in the height it will be pumping too, didnt think it would alter power consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) tunze thats all I am going to say now laguna does the job but tunze is tunze and tunze is good. damned if google isnt bias tho \"get a tunze\" / \"get a laguna\" - Google Fight : make this fight with Googlefight ! I look at the value of the stock you would lose if the pump failed If its in the thousands + months of your time then get the best you can save for. if its just to mix salt water for a few hours then meh get something nice and cheap Edited July 22, 2012 by DeadFishFloating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndicate Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Sounds like your biased towards tunze DFF. Got any proof to back up your claim that tunze is better then laguna or is that just your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageofaquariums Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Sounds like your biased towards tunze DFF. Got any proof to back up your claim that tunze is better then laguna or is that just your opinion Ich denke, Herr Donny ist Bias zu den deutschen Tunze Produkte als aus Erfahrung, sie einfach nicht ausfallen. In sagen, dass ich seit Jahren Laguna abgesetzt und haben aber nur eine Handvoll von Pumpen wieder aus Hunderten verkauft. Sorry für die deutsche Ich wurde in die sie immer von Dingen lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwerty Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Ich denke, Herr Donny ist Bias zu den deutschen Tunze Produkte als aus Erfahrung, sie einfach nicht ausfallen. In sagen, dass ich seit Jahren Laguna abgesetzt und haben aber nur eine Handvoll von Pumpen wieder aus Hunderten verkauft. Sorry für die deutsche Ich wurde in die sie immer von Dingen lol For the people that don't speak the Germanic language I think Mr. Donny is bias to the German Tunze products than from experience, they simply do not fail. In saying that I sold for years and have Laguna but only a handful of pumps resold hundreds. Sorry for the German I was always into things lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sclero p Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Setting up a 6x2x2 sump atm, have an assortment of cheap pumps but bought a new Laguna 11 000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 really? i had just assumed that it would use X wattage regardless of wether it was at zero head or more. thought it would just be the litres per hour that dropped. factored in the height it will be pumping too, didnt think it would alter power consumption. my meaning lost in translation I think... of course the pump wattage is not variable - the point was to consider the head height and volume of water at that head height (and wattage required to pump to that height) rather than just consier 0 head volumes.... some of the low watt eco pumps don't pump up (vertically) that well compared to say an eheim (for example)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndicate Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 In saying that I sold for years and have Laguna but only a handful of pumps resold hundreds. I don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 damned if google isnt bias tho \"get a tunze\" / \"get a laguna\" - Google Fight : make this fight with Googlefight ! where does this stuff come from......??? too much time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sclero p Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Laguna 11 000 is 125 watts around 9 000 lph at 1.7 meters head height through 26mm id outlet valve supplied into 40mm pvc pipe. As a comparison Lifetech 12 000 cheapie 360 watts 7 000 lph same system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyk Posted July 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 yeah thats a massive difference. you see jebao and boyu brands around with anywhere from 100w to 140w, but come in a couple hundred dollars cheaper. i know the laguna or tunze will last longer, be more likely to buy spares for, etc, but the over all cost has to come in somewhere. in saying that tho the laguna isnt super expensive. i thought quite reasonable. still got build a stand and find a/ get a sump built. so its a few steps away. ill keep my eye out for bargains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 where does this stuff come from......??? too much time... when a man and an internet love each other very much they sometimes decide to express this by making a forum post. You will likely understand this better when you get a bit older Sounds like your biased towards tunze DFF. Got any proof to back up your claim that tunze is better then laguna or is that just your opinion I have never bought a Tunze product that I was not impressed with longterm. And I have bought a lot of them over the years. In saying that, I have had good experience with Laguna over the years. Personally though my new favourite sump pump is the Tunze Silence Pro # Silent running rotor with high-performance modified Tesla disk-type impeller# In-sump or inline operation # Maximum Flow: 11000 lph # Energy Consumption: 95w - 125w depending on counter pressure # Maximum Head: 4.5m # Outlet / Inlet Hose Size: 1 1/2" ( Hose tails included 35mm ) Both this and the Laguna are going to do the job but its not just maths for me this tunze is built simple and strong I like the engineering that has gone into it I like how it looks powerful and yes I like the fact it is Tunze. If this was a fish version of the show Top Gear perhaps people would understand what I am trying to say but no matter laguna and tunze are both good choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
