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Personally I think it's fairly disgusting! I see it being very similar to teacup pigs and dogs. I don't see it as being a healthy mutation at all and think that the hobby is in a pretty sad state if these fish take off. Especially amongst the hard core keepers.

Just my opinion guys but curious to see what you all think.

Cheers,

Sam

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Think about it realistically, at least 70% of people who have a fish tank have no idea how to even test for ph.

Lfs need to make money right? And people think these ballon morphs are "cute" or "funny"

If all shop where aquarium specialist, they all go out of business. It's all about money and what the general public demands.

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I understand that however I think that causes harmful mutations to any animal, not just fish, is an inhumane practice. The dogs and pigs which have gone about similar mutations suffer from decreased life spans and are more susceptible to disease and sickness. LFS and other fish shops can generate sales through good quality stock and great customer service. The first time I saw a good electric yellow I was blown away and just had to have one as the colour was so great. Now after being into fish for awhile Good yellows do not excite me as much but other good quality stock does. What I'm getting at is that you do not need to mutate a fish to make it attractive

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For example a great specialty shop left on the coast is aquariums alive, all your stuff from goldys to cichlids,

But once again to an amature a balloon mollie is not a deformity is a "cool"

Think outside the box, think about how you want to attract customers in,

Here's a better example, most beginners find setting up African tanks quite a challenge but to setup a tank to keep mollies etc is a piece of piss. All about the money! As long as money is coming in most lfs won't care.

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We all keep fish for different reasons. Balloon morphs are PETS.

And some people want a PET fish.

Not a slice of nature, not a piece of linebred perfection or an example of the brutal beauty of wild evolution.

nup they want a pet

they want it cute'ified

they want it in a bright colour

and if possible, glowing in the dark.

to each his/her own

as long as the fish is spoilt

and the owner happy

then

so it goes

And gathering swallows twitter in the skies.
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I bet you $1000, that If I aquariums alive tomorrow I can older 10 balloon mollies in.

As you said before its bout good customer service right? With retail mark up that order will cost me $55-70 and when I get what I want I'll be back to buy more.

Not to mention a lot of your goldys are man made deformitys i.e ryukins haw no dorsal fin it's a man made quality, about 99% sure AA sell them, so technically that's a deformity.

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Actually, goldfish are ALL man made mutations. I find them cute as a pet (and if I wanted to set up another BIG tank I might get some, especially ranchus), but in terms of being a *FISH* I don't find them appealing. If I don't look at them as a fish I don't mind them at all.

That being said, I hate balloon mutations. I know short body happens randomly anyways but I'm seeing it more and more often. And the purposeful balloon mutation is pretty cruel imho. Bent spine. Ow! Not sure how nice that can be for a livebearer. Lots of stress. =(

I'm in charge of ordering fish at my work and I don't order in any balloons. I will if someone asks though, as a special order, simply because it IS a retail shop and without my customers I've got nothing!

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As a pet they seem fine,

Like many people have mentioned alot of people buy these types of fish because they are attractive, unusual and new. Unknown to many people alot of aquarium stores rely on these sort of sales to stay afloat along with many other bread and butter species.

But on a broad scale how could you say "Balloon is disgusting" yet love mutations like reds, golds etc? whats the difference ie Peacocks? you cant, they are all mutations.

Take the avicultural clubs, every year there members are breeding new exciting colours and forms eg Ringnecks. I think if the animal is happy, people are happy and it keeps Australian Pet Store Open go for it.

and i think you ment Ranchu, which in my eyes are very pretty if bred true to form.

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I think balloon is an issue because it physically deforms the fish in a way that can be detrimental to health, breeding and longevity. Which I would include Ryukin in as they have the same mutation and tend to be more prone (in my experiences) to bloat. I can't see the short stunted body doing a livebearer any favours when heavily pregnant.

Colour mutations don't tend to cause physical issues for the animal, though some do! Jag mutation in carpet pythons tends to come with neuro issues. Blue merle in dogs can not be bred against another merle or you get lethals. Same with the jag carpets actually, you get lethal leucistics.

Most colours don't *tend* to come with health problems so they'd be less of a moral issue, I guess.

That being said, I prefer fish in their natural form AND colours! Discus included! =)

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As a pet they seem fine,

Like many people have mentioned alot of people buy these types of fish because they are attractive, unusual and new. Unknown to many people alot of aquarium stores rely on these sort of sales to stay afloat along with many other bread and butter species.

But on a broad scale how could you say "Balloon is disgusting" yet love mutations like reds, golds etc? whats the difference ie Peacocks? you cant, they are all mutations.

Take the avicultural clubs, every year there members are breeding new exciting colours and forms eg Ringnecks. I think if the animal is happy, people are happy and it keeps Australian Pet Store Open go for it.

and i think you ment Ranchu, which in my eyes are very pretty if bred true to form.

Just taking a stab in the dark but isn't that how most of your trophius developed such a wide color variance between species?

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To me this is all just a big over-reaction.

We fish keepers keep fish for our own enjoyment, some of us keep fish because we like the look of them, others keep them because they like to display a splice of the amazon or a rift lake scene in their own home. Now to you that may be thats what keeping fish is all about, but balloon formed fish are not even that bad.

We keep things like balloon morphs because we want something different.

the wide variety of goldfish was created because we as the market demanded something more interesting than the plain ol common ol commet and shubunkin.

Its just something different, we all want to have what is strange to us.

Now to me, i would happily keep balloon fish, but never the mollies.

i would keep them for this reason, you are getting the fish which may attain a large size in a small package, with all that attitude and strength of an american cichlid its in a cute little package.

the way how i see it, if they were not meant to live they would not live past being free swimming, if the quality of life of the fish is not lessened who are we to say that it should not exist, just because it looks a certain way, i never remember hearing about people complaining about the fancy goldfish types, which is essentially the same 'ball pond' here.

Balloon morphs can live just as happily as those normal variants, yes they may be genetically modified fish in order to capture a new crowd of hobbyists but they are still a part of the hobby which is here to stay im afraid.

as DFF said some people dont want what we do, they want the short bodied fish which is completely understandable to me.

see to me, this is my personal view.

sr=1

i like them, i like them a lot.

i would be happy if more were available in different fish, not just texas or green terror, but more fish.

call me a freak

call me what you want

but i like balloon fish, as long as they have not undergone pain of tattooing, s****ing or any other cosmetic fish surgery i am happy.

end rant.

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Just taking a stab in the dark but isn't that how most of your trophius developed such a wide color variance between species?

Nope nope! There are only 6 species of tropheus but the different colours are all naturally occurring colour 'morphs' based on locality. I'm sure there's some captive breeding to enhance colours but that's all nature, mostly! =)

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I really don't think anything we are doing by keeping any fish In tank is anything but selfish and cruel.. Take a 10x4x2 tank to a river and see how big it looks! I think maybe there could be a line down where health comes into it, but like pugs and other dogs it doesn't seem like lack of quality of life plays a major roll in pet keeping? IMO keep what you want to keep, buy what you want to buy, do what you want to do.. Just don't expect people to not have an opinion on what you are or aren't doing:)

Unless cherry shrimp are a true breed? I don't own any "real" fish;)

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I really don't think anything we are doing by keeping any fish In tank is anything but selfish and cruel.. Take a 10x4x2 tank to a river and see how big it looks! I think maybe there could be a line down where health comes into it, but like pugs and other dogs it doesn't seem like lack of quality of life plays a major roll in pet keeping? IMO keep what you want to keep, buy what you want to buy, do what you want to do.. Just don't expect people to not have an opinion on what you are or aren't doing:)

Unless cherry shrimp are a true breed? I don't own any "real" fish;)

AMEN TO THAT!

Keeping a fish in a tank is lowering it's quality of life, full stop.

Having owned a few short bodies in my time, I can happily tell you they are equally as healthy, intelligent and happy as any other fish I have owned.

Cherry shrimp are selectively bred.

AND, what about EBJDs, wasn't it said somewhere that they were the JAGs of the fish world?

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I bet you $1000, that If I aquariums alive tomorrow I can older 10 balloon mollies in.

As you said before its bout good customer service right? With retail mark up that order will cost me $55-70 and when I get what I want I'll be back to buy more.

Not to mention a lot of your goldys are man made deformitys i.e ryukins haw no dorsal fin it's a man made quality, about 99% sure AA sell them, so technically that's a deformity.

LOL! las time i checked ryukins have dorsal fin, u may be thinking of a Ranchu......

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