BRISSY Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 How much is a nice 7cm tail to head lenth altum angel worth? I can get one but I'm not sure how much to pay. And yes, it is an altum . It was bought from pet city too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 all depends orinoco or peruvian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISSY Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 oh ok, so the peruvian ones aren't really altums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 They are but orinoco are the ones that rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISSY Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Ok, and is there an easy way to tell the difference? Thanx heaps btw daydream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Get on google colour is the best way orinoco have a brown ting and finage is huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooks Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 orinoco's altums have a "redder" tone. they demand a higher price as well. on average, from where i am.. a piece size similar to a$1AUD coin costs about $20SGD. fish is before quarantine and very vulnerable. i lost 20 pieces this season our fishes were received and exported 2 days after the season started and arrived another 2 days later. so they were really small and weak after all the shipping process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet_City Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Hi Brissy, How long ago did you buy your Altum? There have been no Orinoco at Pet City for at least the last 5 years. If you have brought it recently, then I can tell you that it was either a Peruvian (German Wild Caught) or a Manacapura (German Wild Caught). The Manacapura have a "pink" tinge and the last group that I got in had pink and red "freckles". The last group of Manacapura were one the best I have seen in the last few years because of that freckling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISSY Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ok Kelly, it wasn't me who bought it off you, another guy did (or said he did lol). Not sure how long ago, but I think its just a peruvian. Here is a pic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet_City Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Looks like a Peruvian Although there can be slight variations to an Orinoco, generally they have a super sharp narrow triangular shape with very elongated finnage. Damn I wish I had some. My dream is a 12 foot biotope-type tank with Orinoco, Heckel Discus and rays. *drools* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Just note that the peruvian fish is P. scalare, not P. altum. The aquarium trade incorrectly uses the "altum'' name often though...not problem if its sold as the common name "peruvian altum"(even though the species name is P. scalare) but if they sell it as P. altum it is potentially misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet_City Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Just note that the peruvian fish is P. scalare, not P. altum.The aquarium trade incorrectly uses the "altum'' name often though...not problem if its sold as the common name "peruvian altum"(even though the species name is P. scalare) but if they sell it as P. altum it is potentially misleading. That is true. Ours are always Peruvian Altum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISSY Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Thanx for your help guys. I don't really mind what it is, although it is good to know. At the end of the day it is a nice fish and I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Thanx for your help guys. I don't really mind what it is, although it is good to know. At the end of the day it is a nice fish and I like it Ain't that sweet - anyway, I'd imagine the difference in price would be $250-$350 or so. There was a group of real altums for sale for $3k a while ago in Melbourne - from memory maybe 7 or 8 fish? full grown. Anther lot were being sold for $350-400 each. Peruvian altums would be $30-60 depending on size. Funny though how they are not called Peruvian scalare - which is what they really are. Altum sounds much more special (and expensive). Edited November 17, 2012 by cram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISSY Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Well I thought it couldn't be a real altum cos it was under $20 (got it with a whole bunch of things. Would be nice though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamzaLH Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 When i bought my tank I got a group of 7 ... I know nothing about them, but he told me they were "WC Peruvian Altums" or scalare as I believe they should be labelled They're def growing on me ... full of personality and colour. Any ideas what they're worth? H p.s. sorry for the hijack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamzaLH Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 OH, also Whats "German Wild Caught"? Caught from a tank in germany or Caught wild then shipped to Germany then beyond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldrag76 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 OH, also Whats "German Wild Caught"?Caught from a tank in germany or Caught wild then shipped to Germany then beyond? quote of the year mate i love it 24k gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Wild caught fish do enter aus through other countries than the country of origin as many of the collectors of these fish work in partnership with wholesalers in certain countries and from countries that can nat export to aus.Caught wild then shipped to Germany then beyond? Is what you would or should expect but dep on wholesaler you may get breed from wild stock in germany insted .I know of a few importers that get wild stock from south america through other countries in asia as well as europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet_City Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 They are wild caught - and sold from German exporter. I like to make the distinction. Clearly I wasn't on the boat when they were netted and sorted - I wasn't on the plane and I certainly didn't see them in their holding tanks but they were sold as "wild caught". As I have both countries of "origin" I like to give the full story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet_City Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Wild caught fish do enter aus through other countries than the country of origin as many of the collectors of these fish work in partnership with wholesalers in certain countries and from countries that can nat export to aus.Caught wild then shipped to Germany then beyond? Is what you would or should expect but dep on wholesaler you may get breed from wild stock in germany insted .I know of a few importers that get wild stock from south america through other countries in asia as well as europe. The ones that I was posting about from Glaser - from Sth America. Its been in my experience that there are some less scrupulous exporters who call F1's "wild" or if they are line bred from wild parents "wild caught". Again, all of this can be taken with a grain of salt - if you didn't net it, who is to say. I do like giving the country of export if I know though - if you are looking to introduce new lines, don't you want to know that I didn't get it from you neighbour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamzaLH Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Thanks for that I wasnt trying to be a smart (_I_) ... Just never seen the 2 terms used together i.e German and WC. Any ideas what they're roughly worth? (PC, what do u sell them for in store?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldrag76 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 i have a picture or two german men wearing leather shorts throwing fish at each other and catching them. thats just me i like leather shorts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet_City Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Thanks for that I wasnt trying to be a smart (_I_) ... Just never seen the 2 terms used together i.e German and WC.Any ideas what they're roughly worth? (PC, what do u sell them for in store?) Depends on the size and the wholesaler. In the last year Peruvian Altums have ranged from $29.95 to $54.95. I'm often surprised and annoyed at the fluidity of fish prices. I know it has to do with the Euro and dollar and sometimes a wholesaler has to account for fish destruction and losses, but even with bread and butter - sometimes a black phantom costs under $2 sometimes its $3.50 or more. So annoying! Wild Caught Oscars are the worst. Sometimes I can get them cheap, sometimes they cost more wholesale than most people retail - and that is on the same 7cm fish depending on when and where it came from. Weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pk333 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that the Peruvian Angels are mislabled are really just Scalare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
