a-f-a Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 as above i have just built myself a new 5 chamber sum out of a 6x2x2 just wondering what prople thoughts are on the media i should fill the last section with i will be housing malawi haps in high density sect 1 - 10 roles of gutter guard with egg crate seperating 600 bio ball halph submerged and halph wet/dry with fine sponge and drip tray sect 2-50kg aprow of coral ruble aprox 30-40mm pieces sect 3 another 10 roles of gutter guard sect 4???????????? was thinking of putting 10-15l of matrix or k1 but not too sure / may if to costly put more gutter guard in there but wonted to mx it up section 5- 2x 10,000l pumps so dose anyone have any ideas about this at all good and bad welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Personally would go the K1 Probably put coarse sponge then fine sponge then filter wool. If you put fine in too early it gets a bit mucked up and requires cleaning sooner. So the heavier particles get caught in the coarse smaller get caught in the fine and the small particles get caught in the wool. Bit of escoria would not go a stray either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuba Steve Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 jeesus man, 2 10,000 lt pumps? how bigs the system its doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuba Steve Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 i agree with Tech, i have 1 small layer of jap matt on top and then start with my fine sponge and gradually get courser. This also helps greatly with the sound as i find the jap matt quieten's the water flowing in alot especially when running such big pumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-f-a Posted December 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Haha it's prity big they will service two 6000 l systems i am /was going to place foam and wool in the first bay under the drip tray but am unsure of what to do to the fourth bay i agree the foam in various braiding is a must for a sump and will help to keep it clear of debris well help anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 yes nice water for the beasts :).. you'd think K1 int here would be really nice but pricey and yep sponge layers of different coarseness would have to be a winner tynevalleyaquatics are some guys on ebay and they have some super media.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-f-a Posted December 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 ywh i was leaning towards ki but how much would i need to uterlise a 600x450 chamber also how big is the k1 as i would put a mesh on the botom of the partition so it stays put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 You would have to be able to fit probably up to 20 plus liters of K1 I would guess at. I am just picturing 2 liter milk containers 6 on top of 6 should cover about a third of the area you mentioned which would be plenty. You could also put in another divider and have K1 in one and then have Macropore or Carbon or something as final water treatment at the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest 11 Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 ywh i was leaning towards ki but how much would i need to uterlise a 600x450 chamber also how big is the k1 as i would put a mesh on the botom of the partition so it stays put K1 fits through egg crate, I cut my egg crate to size then ziptied gutter guard to it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonydeMarchi Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 10-25mm zeolite (100% water penetration at that size, any bigger you loose penetration) for me but i keep soft water fish although i do have a troheus and some electric yellows (yeh im an expert at africans lol) in the system doing well and the coral will already be your buffer against it ever going soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoggy Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Where do you get K1 media for $80/100L? Age of Aquariums has 50L for $195 and they are usually pretty good on prices. Cheers, Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoggy Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 That's all well and good, bit misleading for the rest of us though. Keen to know if anybody finds a better price, excluding mates rates of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 guess thats why they call it the sunshine coast ...as they say its not what you know...still reckon it helps to know a little bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoggy Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 I still fail to see the point of bragging about how cheap you can get something through a friend/neighbour unless you intend passing that saving on to everyone else. But anyway... If this K1 is as efficient as they reckon it it, then I'd certainly look at incorporating that into the sump, it'll be streets ahead of gutter guard for surface area regardless. I'm looking at modifying my sump so I can run 15 litres or so. Cheers, Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 nothing wrong with sharing a good deal..even if its just the info... how many litres of K1 would you need for a sump(section) like this one Chris is setting up?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-f-a Posted December 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 dam hit the man up and ill swing him a cart of rum/burb and case of gold for 100l hahaha seriously 8-0 yeh you can get k3 its bigger than k1 but not quite a efficient but only by like .025% or somthing so it wont go through egg crate ill pop a pic up of it so far give me a sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonydeMarchi Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 so whos gonna start calling all the sewage works round the country......lol:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-f-a Posted December 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 me for one here is a few pics of it at the moment also ill throw a likk to a vid of the build /fish room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoggy Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 How would you keep the K1 suspended in the last chamber? I've seen air stones siliconed to the base and used to keep them suspended. Pretty sure that's the way I'll end up going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-f-a Posted December 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 well the water enters from the top of the bay and leaves through the botom on the other side there is going to be 20 000l going through aprox and this will create a circular motion in the ba as there wont be anthing heavy with the k1 to block flow to the water will be a horizontal whirl pool i supose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 There was some good discussion on weather to have the K1 in the first or the last compartment. You do not really need to silicon the airstones in - they should stay in place and if you want you just use the air line suction cups. That way when they get clogged it is easy enough to sort out. One of the systems here I have got it where no air is used and just runs off of one pump and have K1 and works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procull Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 http://www.qldaf.com/forums/aquarium-projects-diy-journals-11/some-sump-advice-please-68538/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-f-a Posted December 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 so did you end up going first bay??? or stay with the second looks like i may have to remove and shorten the first bay as its at 2 x2 foot for the wet dry bioball to get a good serface area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tech Den Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 so whos gonna start calling all the sewage works round the country......lol:p That is not the thing to worry about. It is the brown on the k1, is it just good bacteria or bad bacteria cool procull is about, he is awesome with this stuff. Hopefully he can update us on breeding a squilion fish in a year record. just uploading to YouTube so hopefully have something to show in about half an hour or so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procull Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 60L k1 first bay , went clay balls instead of matrix . 6x20inx2 instead of 6x18x18 does 12000L pinch of pee building second one atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
