SaintSinnerx Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Howdy all, i tried to find the correct place to put this thread but i couldn't find it, so if it's in the wrong spot then sorry in advance. This fish was sold to me as a Ngara flametail ( but im now being told differently by someone who has German imported ones.. and normal ones.. ) So please dear god I.D it for me.. and hope to god it's not a cross.. i have 200 odd fry to sell from them.. ( if Cross i wont be selling fry. they will become food. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishunter99 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 i bought a colony of Ngara flametail today and my male looks like this. fairly similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepper Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) Auloncara monkey bay / monkey bay peacock possibly. Thats what they used to be called a number if years ago and they looked like these Edited January 13, 2013 by pepper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Still looks like anAulonocara stuartgranti to me, just doesnt have the "Ngara flametail". As in the tail is blue.Looks more like a Chiloelo "Red Shoulder" male AKA "Aulonocara hansbaenschi"I still consider this a stuartgranti species personally. Just a different locality morph of it. Hence the blue tail. But then again I seem to have a different opinion to the norm on peacock threads these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasman Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 yeh both the top 2 fish definately arnt flametails.... hard to narrow down exactly what it is if its not an "assorted"... but Id go with Deadfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiem01 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 The two first posts are definately not ngara would like to see some other shots to try and id Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishunter99 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 heres the other one i got today from same colony aparently. mmm was told they were ordered as flametails from supplier etc. im no brainiac on auloncara, never really bred them before. can you id this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSinnerx Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 well so far i've had 4 people say it is a Ngara, just not as dark, and 4 against.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSinnerx Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 The two first posts are definately not ngara would like to see some other shotsto try and id ill grab a few pics for you shortly. - and yeah kasman it's not an assorted peacock was sold to me as a breeding colony of Ngaraflame tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishunter99 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 my fish just travelled a fair bit and have only just been put in the tank, so theyre a bit off in colour. ill see what they look like in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasman Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) Although there are slightly different variations this is typically what a Ngara flametail should be expected to look like. Taken from Ad Konings Malawi Cichlids. Aulonocara Stuartgranti Mdoko (mdoka is roughly 10klm south of Ngara). Edited January 13, 2013 by kasman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSinnerx Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I've been told by someone that it is a Ngara just that there are hundreds of virations? as even googling pics comes up with hundreds and typing in the correct full name brings up chiclid profiles which all have different pictures.. This colony was sold to me by a very well known member on this forum, which seems unlikley that he would get it wrong.. so im not sure what to do atm, as i have a few hundred fry so i don't want to exactly flood the market with fish that aren't the correct name.. so if anyone happens to know exactly what this is then im all open for idea's.. im 100% it isn't a cross now, as ive been sent a few photo's from people who have Nagara's that are simular in coloration.. but there's is much darker.. the male in the pic is 11cm so should still be fully coloured.. and our females look exactly like that photo kasman. they have the slight orange belly. but are very dark atm. due to annoying them with trying to get photo's of the male haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasman Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 They obviously get their common name for having a "flametail". Yours just doesnt seem to have that - but a damn nice fish All fish are linebred & inbred etc unless wild caught, so you can end up with a fish that was once bred from Aulonocara Stuartgranti Ngara but down the generations may ultimately look nothing like one collected from its original location. There in lies the problem. At the end of the day, if you like the fish thats all that matters. As long as a potential buyer can view parents so they know what the fish will ultimately look like then I see no dramas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Actually Ngara is the location they are caught from. Panoramio - Photo of Ngara Village, Lake Malawi (check who posted that image lol) And the Aulonocara stuartgranti caught there have a distinct look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSinnerx Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I've got some new photo's the male is MUCH darker now,and his red is out more, ( breeding mode? ) ill upload them in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishunter99 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 hahah i dont care what colony i have, i just want to know what they are so i can name the fry lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFishFloating Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) I've got some new photo's the male is MUCH darker now,and his red is out more, ( breeding mode? ) ill upload them in a second. yea you cant ID a stressed male peacock we all know that the best time to get a picture is when he is in spawning mode. And such pictures get clicked the most and therefor show up on google image way earlier! Then consider then, the same photo taken with different camera will show different colours. Then factor in that camera angle influences colours and reflection indexes too! Ask a guru to ID a peacock and you get a common reply. Show me its skull! There are a lot of linebred colour morphs of Aulonocara stuartgranti available in the hobby. My favourite? well the cherry of course. Imagine trying to sell them on here without being accused of having hybrid scum! Edited January 13, 2013 by DeadFishFloating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSinnerx Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Okay, here he is, these are his colours while he is happily dancing with females he is in an acrylic holder so he has calmed down and is back to normal these are his colours. the original photo was taken on an iphone 4 new ones on a much better quality HTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSinnerx Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Any chance it could be[TABLE=align: center] [TR] [/TR] [TR] [TD=colspan: 3][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=colspan: 3] Aulonocara hansbaenschi Chiloelo [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [h=5][/h] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishunter99 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 this is getting so confusing for me lol, now i know why i have never bred the peacocks lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSinnerx Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm starting to think i should sell out of peacocks, these were sold to me by someone who is known for there quality and not to have cross's so im confussed as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_a Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Aulonocara are beautiful fish, its just a shame 99% of people do not pay attention to what they have (other than what they are told by the seller.) I think we can rule out both colonies being any kind of Ngara/Mdoka or a derivative thereof. The red present on the pelvic fins is a dead giveaway. Looks more like a Chiloelo "Red Shoulder" male AKA "Aulonocara hansbaenschi"I still consider this a stuartgranti species personally. Just a different locality morph of it. Hence the blue tail.But then again I seem to have a different opinion to the norm on peacock threads these days. The experts agree with you. A. hansbaenschi is considered a junior synonym of A. stuartgranti. Both member's fish seem more reminiscent of one of the "hansbaenschi" types of A. stuartgranti for sure. However, when their history is unknown I don't think it is possible or correct to attach a collection point to the fish. A trade name sure (Red Shoulder Peacock,) but a specific locale no. There are a lot of linebred colour morphs of Aulonocara stuartgranti available in the hobby. My favourite? well the cherry of course. Imagine trying to sell them on here without being accused of having hybrid scum! That would be karma for me wouldn't it DFF? The two first posts are definately not ngara would like to see some other shotsto try and id Welcome back Mr Magnussen. I'm very glad to see you around these parts again. All in all, I think the sellers have some explaining to do. This kind of mislabelling is becoming all too common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supercobwe Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Howdy all, i tried to find the correct place to put this thread but i couldn't find it, so if it's in the wrong spot then sorry in advance.This fish was sold to me as a Ngara flametail ( but im now being told differently by someone who has German imported ones.. and normal ones.. ) So please dear god I.D it for me.. and hope to god it's not a cross.. i have 200 odd fry to sell from them.. ( if Cross i wont be selling fry. they will become food. ) [ATTACH=CONFIG]27625[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]27627[/ATTACH]heres the other one i got today from same colony aparently. mmm was told they were ordered as flametails from supplier etc. im no brainiac on auloncara, never really bred them before. can you id this one? [ATTACH=CONFIG]27637[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]27636[/ATTACH]Okay, here he is, these are his colours while he is happily dancing with females he is in an acrylic holder so he has calmed down and is back to normal these are his colours. the original photo was taken on an iphone 4 new ones on a much better quality HTC. I don't think is a flame tail peacock because my display male doesn't look like that at all but you can believe what you want it could be different location. Honestly I haven't seen any flame tail peacock like that in the hobby because I know there are 2 types of flame tail peacock in the hobbies so far that I know of. Still looks like anAulonocara stuartgranti to me, just doesnt have the "Ngara flametail".As in the tail is blue.Looks more like a Chiloelo "Red Shoulder" male AKA "Aulonocara hansbaenschi"I still consider this a stuartgranti species personally. Just a different locality morph of it. Hence the blue tail. But then again I seem to have a different opinion to the norm on peacock threads these days. That's exactly how it look with my display male but there is a more red form type of flame tail peacock out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_a Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Supercobwe, if your display male looks like the fish above then it is not a flametail either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddo Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Sorry but if the 2 males are from.the same colony then someone duped.you. Aulonocara stuartgranti has many varients not ngara flame tails. Ngara has a yellowy/orange varient and red varient. unfortunately if I were to buy peacocks now i would by imported either wild caught or german bred. So many fools.out there dont check on where.they get there brood stock from and this is how they get caught. The only other source.of.reliable peacock.varients is aussiem himself. I have seen photoes of his stock.and.they are.sensational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
