kirrabeach Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 The high cost of running my tanks has hit home with a bill of over $800 for the quarter. We've aquired 3 external filters using 20 & 30kw :gurn: together with the other filters/heaters/air pumps/lights Interested to hear what others are paying. We're with Queensland Electricity, I got some figures from them yesterday to compare with other retailers. The daily service charge has risen from 18.7c per day to 36c and usage from 14.81c per kw up to 18c per kw Wondering also if thats 1 of the reasons people are downsizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindo Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 mmm am with them too. Need to look around methinks as the rise is ridiculous - but then they had a backlog of price rises didnt they (all providers) that was just allowed by the ACCC? I only have two tanks and its an issue for me watching the prices go up - yet I turn anything not in use off at the power point and am manic about lighting. I dont have the heater running etc. The only way to drop the $ is to convince the child that tv is boring - but then I will have to get off the computer too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisces Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Hey Kirrabeach I used to pay $900 + a 1/4 for my fishroom back in the nineties . Starting over again now and are preparing for much worse ! What we are paying is nothing to what we will be paying if rudd is successful with the carbon emission scam . The same charter is being implemented in Europe and the public is just waking up ! America just sneeked this through the senate over night ,the night the public was distracted with the death of Micheal Jackson and most Americans are still unaware . Have you noticed the graph of carbon usage on your bill lately ? Well this is what is happening in Scotland right now. They have now got a newly appointed environmental police force targeting house holds that use excessively . Thats right households !, not big business ! Based on your powerbill they can enter your house with out a warrant, issue notices enforcing you install green light bulbs and showerheads , hot water systems and so on and so on .This can place a huge financial burden on struggling families . The only alternative is to pay huge infringement notices , not much of alternative huh ? The Scotts are as mad as hell and saying things like yeah we'll go green , we'll send the enviro cops body parts back in recyclable garbage bags if the enter their properties . In the US their new enviro conterparts are testing car emissions and slapping default notices on them . Rendering them unroadworthy . Realistically 90 per cent of the worlds cars won't pass . How many readers of this post can afford a new car right now ? Global warming is a hoax and a new international tax . Once all G20 nations sign on all revenue goes to the UN . 31,000 independant scientist vs a small minority of about a dozen UN scientist with no past experiance in this field . have petitioned the world goverments . We are not warming the planet , but we are sure as hell poisioning it ! Greenlands green DUH ! We are in the darkest period in human history right now !We are losing everything by stealth right under our nose . Wall street crash scam ( deliberate ) , when the goverments bail out and own the banks , they own your morgage and house too ! And guess what the Magna Carta which gives us the rights to own private property was ruled null and void by the British high court November 3rd 2003 ! Sorry Kirrabeach to answer your question in short , people are down sizing as they struggle with job losses , being ripped of at the pump and supermarket and are just trying to make ends meet . Expect worse ,this is just the start .Lifes a beach :sob: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Global warming isn't a hoax. The extent of it isn't fully known. The carbon laws etc are just smoke screens. If serious, build 6 nuclear stations, be cheaper than these regulations. Plus I believe they know it won't happen in our life time so stiff sh it. Can't remember who the dude was I listening to on ABC yesterday 11am-12pm. As for powerbills, well you better brace yourself, there is a huge increase on its way. Frenchy :sheep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem0n Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I am with AGL, 4 tanks, a total of 1500w of heaters, 2 cannisters, 2 sump pumps, 2 powerheads,9 x 39w fluro-tubes... & I pay around $400 a quarter... hopefully next quarter will be slightly cheaper as I have been keeping the lighting to a bare minimum. We were sold a lie when they said that privatisation & competition will drive prices lower... you hear this line all the time in our new 'free market' economy, but it's RARELY the case. Usually the top few reseller companies reach an agreement to price-fix, drive the smaller guys out of the market & then screw the price up without any fear. Energy prices will continue to rise.. the company i work for designs energy monitoring equipment for consumers & power stations & there is an ever-increasing demand for greater accuracy... the main reason for this is the smaller increments that can be measured, the smaller blocks you can be charged for. I totally agree with you, pisces, about the global warming fiasco... it totally reeks of a neo-conservative fear campain to divert the attention of the general public. The figures for the 2008->2009 global temperatures show that the average temp is now dropping... this is IMPOSSIBLE in any of the man made global warming models. That people have been made to believe that carbon dioxide is the cause is unbelievable... but that it is now becoming LAW with this carbon trading bullshit beggars belief! Carbon Dioxide is the by-product of LIFE. Don't get me wrong... I believe humanity as a whole should try to be energy efficient & low polution... but for the right reasons... because it IS the right thing to do... not because of some quasi-scientific fraudulent propaghanda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Global warming isn't a hoax. But it sure aim't a fact I agree in most points with demon, but i do know that whoever is making the $$$ it ain't me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebris Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Demon I'm with agl too :hothead: We have been living in this place for a year and still can't get them to send us a bill! We are still getting mail from the last owners, and they are being billed for our elec! Going through the ombudsman @ the moment! BTW, agree with what you have said mate! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 50kw all day everyday is a lot of juice man. You should be paying a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddo Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Welcome to the world of fishkeeping is all I can say. My winter bills have all been over a grand and summer drops to about 500-600. The reason I have dropped back to one room but in saying that I have doubled my tanks. But will be using less electricity. Instead of using to heaters I now use one, no more barfridge for the foods/medications these are now kept in the freezer and a cool area instead and have used polycarbonate roofing to allow natural light in instead of fluros. So thats minus 4 fluro's. Also using one air blower instead of 2 and changed to a submersible pump running 125w instead of my onga running 500w. So if my bill is more expensive than last year then there is something bloody wrong. Some methods you could try is placing tanks on the warmer side of your house if possible insulating around the tanks and inside the hoods thorugh winter. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaholic99 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 The high cost of running my tanks has hit home with a bill of over $800 for the quarter. We've aquired 3 external filters using 20 & 30kw :gurn: together with the other filters/heaters/air pumps/lightsInterested to hear what others are paying. We're with Queensland Electricity, I got some figures from them yesterday to compare with other retailers. The daily service charge has risen from 18.7c per day to 36c and usage from 14.81c per kw up to 18c per kw Wondering also if thats 1 of the reasons people are downsizing. If you are a hobbyist with quite a few tanks then there is a lot you can do to minimize running costs. Reduce lights and lighting periods, insulate fish room, run economical room heaters instead of individual tank heaters. Some of the cheapskate things I do are: Choose water pumps with lower power consumption. Use the heat generated by pumps to heat water. Only keep the fish actually breeding over 20 degrees C, use a fan forced gas room heater, turn over water volume in central filtration systems only once every few hours, use large air pumps and sponge or box filters to filter and water movement. Use a skylight for light in daytime, run glass bottom tanks and a single set of lights to illuminate 3 or 4 tiers of tanks. Use a header tank and gravity feed to supply water instead of high volume pressure pumps, run larger tanks half full if stocking rates allow, (some of my tanks are 10,000L). Crowd up fish together over winter, re-use old water for other fish species when water changing etc. I think the cost of electricity is just part of the overall cost of keeping the pets you love. I would pay four or five times this if thats what it took to keep fish. You can always offset costs or make sacrifices elsewhere. If you are paying these costs then you might as well enjoy the fish more! Onto the global warming issue... if it takes high prices at the petrol station and electrical bills to encourage other greener energy sources then I am all for it. People complain that companies and governments are slow to implement changes when it should be done at the user level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirrabeach Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 50kw all day everyday is a lot of juice man. You should be paying a lot. thanks for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddo Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 The other thing I have done is insulate the floor of my fish room being concrete it is always cold and allows coldcreep through it to stop this I have covered the whole floor in polystyrene and linoed over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishyweare Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 we are with AGL billing bloody useless thats all i can say , we had a visit from an auditor the other week just as well i was home . the reason she was there was apparantly our meters have only been estimated since Dec 2006 because i had dogs in the yard what really gets up my goat is it's taken this long for anyone to pick up on this . the reason is so i am told is they are subbies that work for energex and AGL just do the papper work . so i get a bill for over $1600.00 because the estimates were way out . i suppose it could be a lot worse but not impressed ahh feel a bit better now i got that off my chest cheers Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisces Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... credibilit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 All I'm saying is that unless your running a gigantic system ie. several dams, I don't think you have a 30kw motor, let alone that and a 20. 50kw all day everyday is a lot of juice man. You should be paying a lot. thanks for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaholic99 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/06/15/will-widespread-global-cooling-reports-freeze-al-gore-media-credibilit The amount of verified scientific evidence supporting global warming overwhelming. While all the confirmed evidence is only evidence towards this thoery, it is pretty clear to me that most developed nations, majority of scientists and more and more public are convinced there is a problem. Possibly already too late to prevent. Your link mentions Al Gores documentary which suggests some of the causes for major climatic change. If you watch the documentary, it WILL TELL YOU how some countries get colder while some countries get warmer. One of the frightening possibilities is the stopping of the Pacific Ocean current. Some people still believe the earth is flat. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/ Power to them as I believe it is fine to believe whatever you choose to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirrabeach Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 All I'm saying is that unless your running a gigantic system ie. several dams, I don't think you have a 30kw motor, let alone that and a 20. no...not running dams....must have mixed up the kw & w talking about the electricity consumption just checked 1 again 20W aqua pro 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisces Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Classic me a flatearther ? Guess that makes me Galalieo since your the one following the consensus huh ! News flash Jesus ain't in the white house and the sky ain't falling either . BE-LIE-VEwhat you want ! and enjoy that flatearth site of yours ! But I gotta tell ya sounds a little nutty to me but each to there own . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 The north atlantic current has stopped recently for no aparant reason, that controls weather in europe & eastern USA. Doesn't matter what people believe, blind freddy can see we are stuffing up the planet, with polution etc. Not much can be done, cant afford the economy to crash now can we?!?! Frenchy :sheep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim72 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I`ve got the same problem with AGL I moved into this house a year ago, havn`t got a single bill yet. I`ve spoken to them twice in that time and yet still no bill. I`ve done all i can do... Demon I'm with agl too :hothead: We have been living in this place for a year and still can't get them to send us a bill! We are still getting mail from the last owners, and they are being billed for our elec! Going through the ombudsman @ the moment! BTW, agree with what you have said mate! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munruben1 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Maybe it should read 20 & 30 watts not KW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barmy Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 People still believe that global warming is a hoax? That's amazing. I suggest you doubters get yourselves access to some peer-reviewed scientific journals detailing the problems our planet faces. The only way these conspiracy theories could be true is if every single scientist in the field is contributing to them, because by the very nature of peer-review, any falsified or slanted data will be exposed and the scientist presenting it will be out of a job. If you really believe it is possible that every scientist in that particular field is falsifying data, then I'm afraid you're just as crazy as the religious nuts who believe that evolution is a scam created by God-hating atheists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddo Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 If you really believe it is possible that every scientist in that particular field is falsifying data, then I'm afraid you're just as crazy as the religious nuts who believe that evolution is a scam created by God-hating atheists. Mate in this case no need for these comments there are all sorts of people on this forum. People that have a right to believe in what they want. And to get my point across to you how come the father of evolution turned his back on his own theories and became a christian. I was staying out of this argument until this. I have my thoughts on the global warming. And until every side of the story is heard we dont know exactly is what happening, as all sides have not been brought up yet and as usual the media are puting a point of view of fear across not the entire story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisces Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Conspiracy theory ? you've got a hide telling me about the peer committee , my family funds the royal societies peer committee and sits on it ! My family has a county and a university named after us in Washington DC , in Sweden a city , cathedral and another university .In the U.K my family owns castles , has a square named after it , Tony Blair's pride and joy is one of our Estates he just purchased and oh yeah the original spelling of what is now England and London comes from the original spelling of my name . I hold three Titles before my name . I will be in Coppenhagen Denmark for the G20 in December how about you ? I have met politicians and environmental ministers , there are many news paper articles about my conservation work . Oh year I forgot about us owning a news paper in New Zealand , I bet you knew old Zealand is an Island off Denmark , Surely you would have learnt that from your mass media services that has been your adviser for Global warming huh . You don't even know where your education mandate comes from do you ? This world is not what you think friend . As for your argument about all the scientist in the world having to be involved in the conspiracy is foolish . They are silenced and can not get coverage through the media to speak out . REP.SENSENBRENNER ON SUPPRESSED EPA REPORT ! . And you would know all about the closed door US Congress meeting March 13 2008 and the sanctions impossed on all that attended and the state of declaration made by the whip .You would also be an expert on the EU Libson treaty and would have read all 9000 pages . Surely your media would have reprinted them for you ? Will we be able to catch up at the g20 ? see you there friend . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisces Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 well said Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
