ohhsweetness Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 can you mix rams with americans ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashleigh_ Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 What sort of Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhsweetness Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 electric blue jack dempsey s rivulatus and an oscar the only thing that s big in the tank is the ebjd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaholic99 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 can you mix rams with americans ??? I was going to say "Only for a few seconds" but will instead say No. Temperment of Rams is far too meek which means they will be live food even if the Oscar or Dempsey is the same size. Plus all these fish will quickly grow to over 15cm except the Ram which will remain.... food size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhsweetness Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 how big do they get ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton31 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 oki iv got 2 30cm+ oscars in my tank with 8 jack dempseys 2cm in size marble fennys 9cm+ brisilis 3cm+ all are still there all living healthy ..as ppl who see tank say i cant beleve u have em in there ....i think u can train fish ...same as my barras do not eat live food i have yellows in with them ...wat im saying is depants on how ya bring em up as babys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 oki iv got 2 30cm+ oscars in my tank with 8 jack dempseys 2cm in size marble fennys 9cm+ brisilis 3cm+ all are still there all living healthy ..as ppl who see tank say i cant beleve u have em in there ....i think u can train fish ...same as my barras do not eat live food i have yellows in with them ...wat im saying is depants on how ya bring em up as babys Size is not the only issue here Rams just don't have the attitude to hang with most americans, but also with their lack of size they will soon become american cichlid food !! You've either got 2 very mellow oscars or some seriously fast smaller fish in that tank clayton. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briztoon Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 G'day ohhsweetness, You can mix rams with other SA cichlids, just not possibly the ones your thinking of. Rams would do well with other dwarf SA cichlids, it just depends which rams your thinking of, as to which dwarf SA cichlids you want to mix with them. Bolivian rams would mix well with dwarf acaras and some central and southern apisto's, while German Blue rams would mix well with checkerboard cichlids and some of the more northern apistos. It really depends if your interested in the larger SA and CA cichlids, or want to try your hands at a planted or semi planted tank with dwarf cichlids and tetras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Well said Briztoon. Couldn't have explained that better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhsweetness Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 well i have a few fry with my big tank and they dont get bothered hmmm ill have vn try it see if they do survive then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton31 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 good i hope it works ..differant things work for differant ppl ...i have try putting heaps diffrant fish together manly fish that ppl say oohhh u cant do that (i hate when ppl say that )most have work but some have failed ..just mix and match wat works works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutters187 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 :bun: The oscars will love you for it Maybe set up another tank for dwarf americans, like rams, bolivians, checkerboards, apistos and balloon rams etc. They wont destroy your plants or decor either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbeer Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 People have explained to you there is a problem with size , there is a problem with attitude of the fish. There are so many reasons why not too it is not funny. Rams are actually very sensitive fish and will die in bad water conditions before discus. If you are not going to listen to peoples advise don't ask for it, cause you might just as well take the rams and hit them on a head with a brick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton31 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 oki thought seen every one has there own opion iv desidered to experiment .yes i put rams in with my oscars at 30cm+... rams at 2cm and are doing great.... every one is more than welcome to come have a look i have tryed to put pics up put cant do it thats all i got to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbeer Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Lets see how long it last. You are not considering the well being of a fish putting it in a tank with that difference in size and temperment and hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Come on Clayton, have try putting heaps diffrant fish together manly fish that ppl say oohhh u cant do that (i hate when ppl say that )most have work but some have failed ..just mix and match wat works works Do you ever think people have told you this as of there own experiences. When I first started the forums weren't really here. I had to go by lfs, so therefore a lot of trial & error. We have had a couple of very experienced fish keepers here post why not, with very valid points....water quality, size, temprament.... I wouldn't do it. If you works for you it is purely more arse than class & you would be a fool to suggest keeping thefish mentioned together to any other person. Frenchy :sheep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 oki thought seen every one has there own opion iv desidered to experiment .yes i put rams in with my oscars at 30cm+... rams at 2cm and are doing great.... every one is more than welcome to come have a look i have tryed to put pics up put cant do it thats all i got to say. Thank God Clayton if your boundless experience in fishkeeping makes you wiser than every one else on this forum then i bow down before you. We have informed experienced fish keepers and breeders offering their advice and knowledge to attempt to help people who have asked questions regarding particular fish and species. If your oscars do end up eating the rams how will you make it up to the rams ?? Trying to prove a point with your actions does not make you a better or more knowledgeable fish keeper than those others who have replied to this thread with advice to help ohhsweetness, just someone who is irresponsible in the way he treats his fish. Your oscars may not kill or eat the rams but IN MY OPINION AND BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE if i attempted the same thing with fish other than yours 100 times the rams would die 100 times. Even if the rams do survive how pleasant and happy will their existence be continously avoiding being eaten and attempting to survive in an environment that they should never be put in. "Re: can you mix rams with americans ? People have explained to you there is a problem with size , there is a problem with attitude of the fish. There are so many reasons why not too it is not funny. Rams are actually very sensitive fish and will die in bad water conditions before discus. If you are not going to listen to peoples advise don't ask for it, cause you might just as well take the rams and hit them on a head with a brick." I totally agree with Gingerbeer!! Anyway, glad i got that out of my system and hope i haven't totally sidetracked your post ohhsweetness. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batters Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 ohsweetness, the posts saying that this is a bad idea are correct. and would more than likely result in you loosing your rams. i can see where clayton is coming from, i have myself kept a large oscar with swordtails, i surrendered the swordtails as only feeders when i added the oscar, but he never ate them. i have also had an oscar that would eat anything he could and attack most others. ive done my share of mixing natives/tropicals/cichlids and as much as ive had losses ive had unlikely success. so if you dont mind losing your rams you could always try it just remember if they grow up together they may not eat a fish they can fit in there mouth but they may still be likely to eat the same size fish if you add it to the tank later, most recently i have seen this with aussie bass when i added a fish slightly larger than say 8 others in the tank, but the new fish was in the bass's mouth in just a few minutes. cheers mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton31 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 guys im still learning bout fish im not saying im better than any body elese ..its all threw trial and error and differant things work for differant ppl ...and i was saying wat worked for me ..and yes im an ass hole i go against wat i get told ..just couse i can at my own expanse ....and anybody who thincks they know all bout fish is full of shit thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutters187 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Not forgetting that having these 2 species (+ other larger americans) together may result in stress to most likely the ram, leading to disease even. Oscars can get whitespot very easily and rams are also prone to thier own diseases if not kept in correct conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMonkey Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Rule of thumb with most Americans is: If it fits in their mouths, its food... obviously there are exceptions, but most of the fish u have mentioned are semi agro fish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereFishieFishie Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 guys im still learning bout fish im not saying im better than any body elese ..its all threw trial and error and differant things work for differant ppl ...and i was saying wat worked for me ..and yes im an ass hole i go against wat i get told ..just couse i can at my own expanse ....and anybody who thincks they know all bout fish is full of sh%t thanks No one here has said they know all about fish. I would listen to Winnie before anyone else here for what I know he has done with fish. Funny isn't it, :snide: a number of members can write up different comments. If the reader doesn't know any of the posters, who are they to believe? Hopefully in a post like this they go with commonsense & follow the mases. Well I have seen smaller docile fish with larger preditory fish before. Well, not really, the little fish wouldn't venture far from their cave, rock that they are hiding under. I seriously think people like you Clayton shouldn't be keeping fish at all if that is your attitude.{re last post} To me what you are saying is that I will try what I like because I can & want to. & who cares if it fails.....this is what I am reading it as. Show some respect to the fish will ya. They are animals & what you are doing to me is classed as cruelty. Frenchy :sheep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 guys im still learning bout fish im not saying im better than any body elese ..its all threw trial and error and differant things work for differant ppl ...and i was saying wat worked for me ..and yes im an ass hole i go against wat i get told ..just couse i can at my own expanse ....and anybody who thincks they know all bout fish is full of sh%t thanks No one here has said they know all about fish. I would listen to Winnie before anyone else here for what I know he has done with fish. Funny isn't it, :snide: a number of members can write up different comments. If the reader doesn't know any of the posters, who are they to believe? Hopefully in a post like this they go with commonsense & follow the mases. Well I have seen smaller docile fish with larger preditory fish before. Well, not really, the little fish wouldn't venture far from their cave, rock that they are hiding under. I seriously think people like you Clayton shouldn't be keeping fish at all if that is your attitude.{re last post} To me what you are saying is that I will try what I like because I can & want to. & who cares if it fails.....this is what I am reading it as. Show some respect to the fish will ya. They are animals & what you are doing to me is classed as cruelty. Frenchy :sheep: Here Here well said Frenchy. Just because the fish don't complain doesn't mean they're happy. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaholic99 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Here Here well said Frenchy. Just because the fish don't complain doesn't mean they're happy. Dave Surprised this thread is getting this long ..... but at least we are all communicating. As for daves last comment; actually all fish DO COMPLAIN. You just have to learn how to understand them better. Behaviour, colour, body language etc. Its pretty obvious fish do communicate with each other so hopefully more people will work out when their fish are complaining or happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Here Here well said Frenchy. Just because the fish don't complain doesn't mean they're happy. Dave Surprised this thread is getting this long ..... but at least we are all communicating. As for daves last comment; actually all fish DO COMPLAIN. You just have to learn how to understand them better. Behaviour, colour, body language etc. Its pretty obvious fish do communicate with each other so hopefully more people will work out when their fish are complaining or happy. Pleeeeeeeease i meant complain verbally !! Lol Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
