goldenswimmers Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) Hey guys was wondering who may have bred or kept Lepidiolamprologus Kendali... great aggressive guys and just wondering about your experiences as far as keeping and breeding them goes...I have a nice little group of these damn aggressive guys(they even have a look on their face that says "stay the ** away buddy") but am wondering how the hell Im going to get breeding out of all the ":boxing::argue:" that goes on...I was reading in the wild they are nomadic and when they "find" each other its or time so this explains a lot with their lack of social skills Edited April 29, 2015 by goldenswimmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqc247 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 ....... aggressive??? where did you get that impression from GS ?? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trofius Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 ....... aggressive??? where did you get that impression from GS ?? lol [ATTACH=CONFIG]36353[/ATTACH] I had an 5 inch elongatus do this with a 4 inch cylindricus, sadly they both died.. stupid fish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqc247 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Lol Trofius - Tang Fight Club Tang Leopard smokes a Banded Tang Cigar lol My little sh*t thought he had bigger aspirations for a 5 cm fish looool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trofius Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 lol Lepidiolamps are just a big mouth attached to a bad attitude, not a great combination for anything less than 2/3 its size... When it happened I actually said it looked like she was smoking the cylindricus, just cruizing around with it 2 inches down her throat. I looked and didnt even attemp to get it out, it was wedged in there, she almost managed to chew though it.. pitty I liked both those fishes.. Even those little buggers attenuatus, like to chew on things like multies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I had never had any problems with them but I did keep pairs in a 5x2x2 need a lot of space and hiding for females apart from that easy to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) I'm awakening the love for the Kendali (and Nkambe!) again as it seems once again these guys have dwindled down in terms of availability and arent so easy to find.... I have been reading pretty much the method for breeding includes raising a group followed by a massacre of some sort(wether it be amongst themselves or with other tank mates) and then spotting a pr locking down territory and keeping the other fish at bay.... The Lepidiolamprologus group really will never be safe I reckon personally as their aggression is their own worse enemy(literally!!)but they are beautiful fish..was also reading they have records of kendalli getting over 30cms...the big boys..girls are apparently 25% smaller in size on average.. It would be very very nice to see a 30cm Kendali or a big Nkambe near that size as well.. Looks like im getting a bit of an African predator itch again Edited April 29, 2015 by goldenswimmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqc247 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Where did the group you had go to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Where did the group you had go to? Unfortunately that was 2 fishrooms ago...renting & ending a serious relationship (and my own maturing/growing up process)really took its toll and I have lost some good fish in the past and sadly these were some of them....plus I have to admit I remember losing a couple of these guys to their own love for each other ...do you still keep these guys Ian?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trofius Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I have a 20cm kendalli in the display tank, between him, the trets, sexies, simos, and a tetracanthus, they keep each other in check. I did have 5 nkambe, but one big girl jumped out, a smaller male got beat up pretty bad, and died. so I removed the extra female that was looking a bit tatty, to another tank, and then to the display tank, dumb move.. I now have a male and female that have been playing nice for about 6 months, no aggro, and just in 3 footer, she lives in her pile of rocks, he lives in an upturned saucer, they are about 12-14cm, hard to tell, this pair seems quite shy, fingers crossed. The guy in the display tank, always appears from nowhere, super fast, he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Nice stuff with the nkambe and fingers crossed they do get the love going..that would be very good news...keep me in mind if it does happen...I'd love some of these guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efc Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Smiths had 50+ not too long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Smiths had 50+ not too long ago. Spot on...and the fact they now have none..could be the beginning of the dry season.. they had those guys for awhile...and they come in little waves but I worry about fish like this..if its not commonly available its not a common fish..and fish like these guys need more breeders..the nkambe even more so and they are even closer than the kendalli to the "where did they go" group.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trofius Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Spot on...and the fact they now have none..could be the beginning of the dry season.. they had those guys for awhile...and they come in little waves but I worry about fish like this..if its not commonly available its not a common fish..and fish like these guys need more breeders..the nkambe even more so and they are even closer than the kendalli to the "where did they go" group.. Yep completely agree with this, some of the cranky fish, do get overlooked, or people get a lot more than they bargained for, and or get disappointed with loosing fish due to aggro, or too small of a tank etc.. I find most of the cranky tangs are misunderstood, and once paired up, usually play together very well, My old trets were paired up for nearly 8 years, I Actually consider trets big sooks,...unless you are another tret, or maybe I just had a good pair., sexies are a tad crankier ( actually i think defensive is a better word, once they have spawned or have a territory, they just looking after their home and fry rather than outright beat everything up) , the tetracanthus are a step up again, they tend to chase stuff down.. Elongatus was one of the lepidios that was very very close to being lost in Australia, thankfully a few people have put in a LOT of effort to get some numbers going again. My nkambe actually came from Smiths, and they had LOTS there at different sizes /prices. I really hope they breed and get along for many years, just looking into a much bigger tanks for them now...6x2x18 should keep them happy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Good luck with the Nkambe and I would definitely want some of those mate...these guys are definitely disappearing both here and interstate and this would be very sad to lose these great cichlids...thanks to the legal situation once they are gone its pretty much long gone...another couple of guys that need some much needed population boosting... [MENTION=6679]aqc247[/MENTION] do you still keep kendali mate..the bunch you gave me did they come from your breeding efforts?? Edited September 30, 2014 by goldenswimmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqc247 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 goldenswimmers ...the 'where did they go? groups' .... they go into peeps tanks and end up on the carpet, out in the garden, or just dissapear... there are still odd pockets of them around. Plenty of keepers not online.Water change today, so grabbed a pic on the mobile ( one from the same batch you bought..) trofius Elongatus was one of the lepidios that was very very close to being lost in Australia, thankfully a few people have put in a LOT of effort to get some numbers going again. thanks mate, I have only read about one other keeper's small success......from little things big things grow.... made a gravel wash today so grab some pics... been while since I gave em a 'pat' lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trofius Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 well....there is eggs.. fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 how much are kendali and elongates to buy?. Where can you get elongates.from. I'm in sydney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Ok Men of the Tang ( [MENTION=1698]trofius[/MENTION] [MENTION=6679]aqc247[/MENTION] + others! ) Some help please.. I was lucky enough to get my hands on some Kendali recently(a group of 6)..and this time I did the right thing and yep still lost 4(even tried to save the last 2 before the beatings got too bad but seems I was too late ) but at least wound up with a pair in the end but now its just the pr(I even got some unfertilized eggs a week ago)and the aggression seems to be creeping back in....any recommendations for tank mates that might inspire the bonding again!?....would be great if it isnt going to be a sacrificial tank...not really a fan of having to replace beaten to death fish(think theres some bad karma attached somewhere there )...or should I just be happy they have their own little cave in the tank?(and thats their version of "friendly" )..its only the 2 guys in a 4x2x18 but im thinking more space might also make them relax more too..any help greatly appreciated Edited December 17, 2014 by goldenswimmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trofius Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Mate not sure what I can say to help, ummm.. I bought 4 nkambae, one got beat up, and didn't recover, one was singled out, so stupidly removed her to the display tank, I only found half of her the next day! the two / pair I have were happy in a 3x20x18h tank, I have since moved them to a 4x18x18, minimal rock work, and just an upturned saucer, I have never seen any aggro between them, But then I rarely see them as they are very shy, as soon as I enter the shed they hide in the rock pile. Now I know that with my sexies they have only ever spawned for me when I had other fish with them, just a happy pair in a 4 footer and nothing, just the occasional bit of aggro, when they were in my six foot display, I had two spawns, they defended, but neve attacked, the trets were the same defend but never attack, tetracanthus openly chase and attack, and I recon the lepidios would be kinda similar, they can be aggro. I would try a bigger tank, 6x2x2 or LONGER, heaps of rock work, so she can get away, make multiple areas all a bit different that she could spawn in, so she has a choice. as for dither fish is a tough call, lepidos obviously like to eat anything <1/2 their size, an other aggro fish might make them more defencive???? maybe just get ypou hands on some mixed Malawian or something cheap, not a threat but not food, big horei, simos, etc, tough but not a threat... anything long, or dark, like cyclindricus, gets picked on, smaller leleupis in my 8 footer are ignored by the 6 inch kendali in there ( he is always trying to get the cylindricus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqc247 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Something to ease your pain goldy [MENTION=2649]goldenswimmers[/MENTION] yep they are certainly lightening fast and one blow can do the trick else jumping for survival for dryland swimming ..... preserved sashimi anyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) your'e crazy Ian! I have been reading the Ad Konings back to nature guide too on tanganyikans(noticed he listed kendali as a bigger fish than elongatus !?) and have to say it does make you respect this lake of great variety so much more...I reckon these guys really challenge your fish keeping skills...when the vegetarians even kill each other you know you have your hands full but Im thinking a bigger bodied tang(going off your info [MENTION=1698]trofius[/MENTION] )might help out...someone big and robust but not detrimental to the pr.....thoughts???...and look at a bigger tank too with room for everybody to escape/live life... Edited December 17, 2014 by goldenswimmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trofius Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 thoughts,..i mentioned horei, and simochromis, but just stick along those lines, maybe some haps, or fronnies, old colony of tropheus, but I guess like my tetras I just paired , up, forming a pair, and having two fish just hook up ( for lack of a better term) is different. usually the only way to get a good pair is to get them young pre- mature and let it happen. yes you may have a boy and a girl, but that's not a couple ( again lack of words) Maybe I am looking into it too much, maybe these fish don't form couples, hopefully by having target fish it will strengthen the bond pair and you get a good outcome. I am currenty trying to get new pairs from 15, 4-6cm trets, with 20 odd acei as dither fish, fingers crossed. sometime it just needs space and numbers and wait for it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Cheers mate...I do think if I can get it right it should fall in line as these guys have been together since babies...and the pair formed by beating everyone else up..but yep its managing them now they have bonded(or not..as you said )...yeah Im thinking some other fish in there will create more of a natural enviroment...maybe they just get annoyed looking at each other with no distractions..so unique in the types of aggression these tangs show too..reminds me of marine fish a lot more (juggling personalities)..am wondering if they might do well with a bunch of tropheus or a small group of fronnies...would the fronnies possibly eat them though?..when no ones watching Edited December 17, 2014 by goldenswimmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqc247 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) your'e crazy Ian! . Yes plus a crazy sense of humour bro lol Edited December 17, 2014 by aqc247 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
