Anthony93 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I bought this shelving today and was wanting to setup a Betta rack to hold my bettas that I want to breed and sell. Was thinking and planning to have 2 rows of 5 individual tanks each shelf with the back row lifted about 80mm so you can see them as well. At first I was thinking to have it with a sump on the bottom shelf but don't know how it would work lol. I am renting atm and heating the room im not sure if it will damage anything or create any problems and the garage will be to much area to heat I was thinking, also that cold breeze entering under the roller doors. If you could help me out with some ideas and suggestions that would be great. Not wanting to buy anything, I am wanting this as a project. Thanks Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETFISH Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 put the small tank's in a tray type tank and use 1 heater to heat all the tank's at once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Good idea but also trying to be a little green lol that way you will need a heater for each shelf but on the other hand not many other ways you can do it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Sorry I actually just understood what you meant. So you have the sump still and run the water into the containers that the tanks are sitting in and back out the other side and down to the sump again. If that's what you meant PETFISH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Been thinking and researching about how to do this all night while I was working and I think I know what I'm going to do now lol but with some small things I'm not sure about yet but should work something out. I will explain later this arvo and try to draw up something on how I'm going to build it but for now time to go home and get some sleep lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 So decided to do a drip system with a sump on bottom shelf and 12 tanks on each shelf that I have to make yet lol This will be my first time ever making something and thinking I got everything planned (hopefully) lol but some little things im not sure and I will ask on the way. Firstly I bought some marine ply yesterday to built the back half up so you can see all tanks when finished. ATM I will not be putting up, as holes need to be drilled for airline to go through and into main piping on inside and run back to the sump. I took some pics for you to get a rough idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Ok so for the sump I am wanting to buy one. The size I will be needing is a 2 ft or 700Long by 300 wide. Also wanting the height a bit lower then 1 ft if this possible please let me know thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETFISH Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) are you asking me or everyone? looking good ,design wise.the thing i would consider though is 1 inlet and 2-3 outlet's on each tank as an airline could very easily become blocked and if you only have 1 per tank it could easily spell disaster. Edited August 24, 2013 by PETFISH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Asking everyone. Ok cool thanks for the info. Also with the outlets how will they sit inside the drilled holes in the tank to make sure no water leaks out around the outside of the airline. Will I need to silicone it? But if it gets siliconed how would I then clean the take itself to get all the crap and stuff that sits on the bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffa Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Looking really good mate Just couple of things 1) Betta do not like a lot of water movement so keep your pump to a minimum but high enough to pump the height of the shelves and 2) suggest you think about all tanks on same system for disease spreading. Friends have had whole systems wiped out when introduction of disease, which can be overcome by buying from a reputable source and not your normal pet shops and practice isolation / Quarantine before introducing new fish. Think about introducing a UV Light in line from the sump and buy a good one without an cheap bulb in it. thats the main reason we do not use a sump system for our betta and set our fish room up the way we have. We tried the sump system and barracks system but found individual isolated tanks best. Was great to show you and your girl around our setup and show you the fish. Happy to help out if you have any questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffa Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 other way is to have sealed tank system with a sump running along the back of the tanks but the water from the sump not actually entering the tanks just used for heating. Food for thought. Just seen breeders loose all their stock overnight. Another thing is a sump system doesn't work for spawn tanks so if you are thinking of breeding you still need individual tanks with individual heating or kept in a constantly heated room to maintain constant temp for fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I have always been worried about having a spread of disease with a sump and wipe out all of your fish. It still worries me now but the biggest problem in saying this is the heating. It is easier to have the sump heat all the tanks and filter the tanks as well rather then heating the hole room as we don't have the money to do so and not just that but don't own the house as we rent and don't know if it could cause any damage(such as mould or something) With breeding the bettas I will be having separate other bigger tanks with there own heater inside for fry. One last thing is what power pump do you think to recommend for this setup? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffa Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Power pump size depends on a number of things as well as the size of your plumbing lines on inlet and outlet on tanks, the height you are trying to push water up as well as your desired flow (water change rate) Probably not the best one to answer that one. Know though you will need a large watt heater in your sump to accommodate the heat loss during circulation of water depends on total volume of water circulation rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 lol that's alright I'm sure ill speak around about it. For the heater a 200w should do it I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Bought some of the piping today. Was wanting to have a connector that comes from one into two but didn't have that so setting up like this. Which I think is better. And seen these drippers and before buying them wanted to make sure they were ok. Also, attempted to cut glass yesterday before I actually bought the glass to make the tanks and yeah FAILED lol Anyone that can give me some tips to cut the glass for my second try please haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETFISH Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 oil on the cutter, don't press to hard,it needs to be one smooth run EG;ssssssssssssssssss ,not ssssssss sss ssss, press very even on both sides of score mark ,you can use a scewer,pen, dowel to place under the score mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETFISH Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 other way is to have sealed tank system with a sump running along the back of the tanks but the water from the sump not actually entering the tanks just used for heating. Food for thought.Just seen breeders loose all their stock overnight. Another thing is a sump system doesn't work for spawn tanks so if you are thinking of breeding you still need individual tanks with individual heating or kept in a constantly heated room to maintain constant temp for fry. good advise, i would not have the tank's sumped either just use the sump to heat individual tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETFISH Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Sorry I actually just understood what you meant. So you have the sump still and run the water into the containers that the tanks are sitting in and back out the other side and down to the sump again. If that's what you meant PETFISH yes thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 other way is to have sealed tank system with a sump running along the back of the tanks but the water from the sump not actually entering the tanks just used for heating. Food for thought.Just seen breeders loose all their stock overnight. Another thing is a sump system doesn't work for spawn tanks so if you are thinking of breeding you still need individual tanks with individual heating or kept in a constantly heated room to maintain constant temp for fry. Ok I can understand doing the sump behind the tank as well but how will it heat the water in the other tanks as I wanted them to all be individual tanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETFISH Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 it's one tank divided, one long section at the back and individual sections along the front, heat is transfered through the panel between the back sec. and the front sections, the water is pumped from sump on bottom shelf through the back section of each of the upper level tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 it's one tank divided, one long section at the back and individual sections along the front, heat is transfered through the panel between the back sec. and the front sections, the water is pumped from sump on bottom shelf through the back section of each of the upper level tanks. Thanks I am understanding what your saying now. I drew these quickly up to show how I understand and also thanks for the tips on cutting the glass. I ended up trying for the second time after watching some videos as well and success lol had some hiccups still though. Just need a proper square that i can use and a bit more practise. This is just the start of a practise single tank I'm trying lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETFISH Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Thanks I am understanding what your saying now. I drew these quickly up to show how I understand and also thanks for the tips on cutting the glass. I ended up trying for the second time after watching some videos as well and success lol had some hiccups still though. Just need a proper square that i can use and a bit more practise. This is just the start of a practise single tank I'm trying lol[ATTACH=CONFIG]38177[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]38176[/ATTACH] on the front view picture , the in and out pipes need to be at the top not the bottom ,for the back section to be full of water ,how you have it drawn it would only be about 1/4 full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Ok cause I was thinking how to do it was like this with a lever that you can control how much goes in? But might need some help with pump size sump and how to put that together as I'm not very sure as yet how but when it comes around I will talk more about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony93 Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Ok just been looking at the setup again and found a way that I can do now but first need to ask is there anything that I can put in water to block viewing of each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage_roo Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) ]I use the plastic sheets they use in voting sighs bunnings sell it and the drippers u got block easy I use the little ones with the little taps because they are easy to clean out with a tooth pick and don't block up to bad [ATTACH=CONFIG]38206[/ATTACH Edited August 28, 2013 by savage_roo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
