goldenswimmers Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) Thought this definitely deserves a new thread and should be looked at/updated accordingly....So potentially some good news for any fancy goldfish admirers..have a read and give some thoughts guys...think its fair to say its been a bit overdue...and maybe a big reason why the fancy goldfish side of things in Australia is all over the shop.... A bit of an update on the judging side.At a recent QFAS Judges meeting it was decided to go ahead and update the Goldfish standards. The biggest problem is that there are no written standards from Asia - most judging there is done by special invited judges (the breeders) and they just choose whatever they like. There are now copies of the latest British and American standards available but we will be writing our own standards just the same. This is a massive and very time consuming job. If anyone would like to have a go at it first read the F.B.A.S. or the National Goldfish Standard so you fully understand the format that the Characteristics (Type Test) must be in. Once you have had a read send me any changes that you think would be suitable. I can not say if they will be used but I can guarantee they will be looked at. Thank you to xysti53 for the latest update and its a chance for fishkeepers to have a say in their own hobby.....good stuff ... Heres the National Goldfish Standard guys so you don't have to go hunting either.... http://www.fbas.co.uk/Goldfish%20Book.PDF Heres a thread too guys which contains links to further information! http://www.qldaf.com/forums/goldfish-koi-46/goldfish-articles-bookmarked-websites-87001/ Edited September 28, 2013 by goldenswimmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xysti53 Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) This is a good place to start. The link in the above post goes to the F.B.A.S. book 4. There is another for the National Goldfish Standards and that is http://www.goldfish-keeping.com/page4.html Graeme Edited September 28, 2013 by xysti53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xysti53 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) For those of you interested in what is happening to the Goldfish Sandards here is the first draft of the new Oranda and Red Cap standard. I must make perfectly clear these are only draft standards and have not yet been adapted. Line drawings of the body and tail types to be added. Oranda and Redcap Type Test Fish failing this test will be severely downpointed, deformities and major defects will cause fish to be disqualified. 1. Depth of body – greater than 2/3 body length. 2. Hood – well developed. 3. Dorsal fin – single, all other fins paired, caudal fin divided. 4. Minimum body length 2 1/4” (55mm). NB: Two tail types are acceptable, The first is the Veiltail where the trailing edge of caudal fin has no apparent fork or pointed lobes. Minimum length of caudal fin 3/4 body length. The second is the Fantail form where the caudal fin is divided and forked and held above the horizontal. Caudal fin to be held high without drooping, also to look fan shaped when viewed from the rear. Caudal fin to be well divided. Any tail type in between these will be downpointed according to the serverity of variation. Applicaton of Standards Fish will be bright and alert with dorsal fin carried high and caudal fin flowing gracefully and well divided. Body will be short and rounded with a smooth outline. Oranda Hood – to be well developed in all 3 areas, i.e. cranial, infra-orbital, and Opercular Redcap Hood – points to be given for hood development in cranial region only, which should be well developed. Colour Metallic group – self colours as listed in points table. Variagated – any combination of the listed colours in a pleasing pattern, and similar on each side. Colours to appear as burnished metal extending into the fins. Calico group – blue background with patches of violet, red, orange, yellow and brown, spotted with black. Red Cap – deep red, on cap only, the rest of the body to be silver/white. All proportions must approximate to the drawing. POINTS TABLE Body D/L Ratio 6 Dorsal contour (including nasal septum) 5 Ventral contour 3 Lateral contour 3 Eyes and mouth 3 20 Fins Contour and size of dorsal 6 Contour and size of caudal 10 Contour and size of others 4 20 Condition and Deportment Condition 10 Deportment 10 20 Colour Metallic Group Self – red, orange, yellow, blue, brown, black 20 Varigated – red, orange, yellow, blue, brown, silver, black 20 Red Cap Red Cap 10 Silver/white 10 20 Other Groups (Calico) Blue, violet 9 Red, orange, yellow 5 Black 5 Brown 1 20 Special Characteristics Oranda Hood Cranial development 10 Hood Infra-orbital development 5 Hood Opercular development 5 20 Special Characteristics Red Cap Cap-cranial development 15 Intensity of red on cap 5 20 Edited November 26, 2013 by xysti53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 I'm not exactly excited about 'standards' for goldfish. Standardizing dog breeds has led to congenital defects, inbreeding, puppy farming and whole books of disputes and scams over puppies sold as 'pure breed'. Standards may improve the quality of goldfish since dodgy practices are already in place and this may force them to lift their game, but I'm not convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myster619 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Grade/Judge mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netty_3164 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) [MENTION=70]xysti53[/MENTION] Sweet, looking forward to the draft line drawings but from what I reading so far in your post sounds great Edited November 26, 2013 by netty_3164 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netty_3164 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) [MENTION=8710]myster619[/MENTION] First you'll have to let us know if this was purchased as a ryukin or fantail? Edited November 26, 2013 by netty_3164 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myster619 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 [MENTION=8710]myster619[/MENTION] First you'll have to let us know if this was purchased as a ryukin or fantail? Ryukin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netty_3164 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Ryukin My personal opinion on your ryukin is that its body is too elongated/not roundish & that it lacks the distinctive ryukin 'hump' (thus why I was confused if it was a ryukin or fantail). Though give it plenty of frozen/live foods and you may get a completely different body shaped ryukin within a few months to a year. Some stunning short tail ryukin examples with my editing -black marks the hump & distinctive 'triangle' head feature of ryukins -yellow marks body shape Superb example with beauitful body shape, pokadot colour pattern, triangle head & short-medium strongly held caudal I am yet to see one like this in AUS. HTH, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 I'm curious as to what's the standard for a good Blue Oranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myster619 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 How about this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netty_3164 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 How about this one? I like it, a very nice fish & much better than your other ryukin. Though, a fault I see in this fish would be that the anal fins are exposed. Preferably only a bit of the anal fin should be seen or even better, the anal fins should be completely covered by the tail. If you look at the second fish I linked above, you won't see any anal fin but the first photo you will see maybe a quarter of it. Some more line drawings of short tail ryukins, again no anal fin is seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netty_3164 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 [MENTION=70]xysti53[/MENTION], re symmetrical colouration, I believe there should be a special notice to the '12/13 reds' and 'polka dot' colour pattern 12 red - http://www.urban.ne.jp/home/koistaff/up/ranchu/show/jikin3y1.jpg polka dot - http://s3.hubimg.com/u/1070046_f520.jpg Anyhow, this is my 1st draft sketch on the 'fantail form' oranda. The red cap oranda would look exactly the same except with only cranial head growth. I've kept the line drawing as simple/bare as possible to show the features. Discussion, opinions & criticisms welcomed Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xysti53 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Well at long last new standards for the Oranda and Red Cap have been produced and accepted by QFAS. These will be used at all future shows as from 26/2/2014. Oranda and Redcap Type Test Fish failing this test will be severely downpointed, deformities and major defects will cause fish to be disqualified. 1. Depth of body – greater than 2/3 body length. 2. Hood – well developed. 3. Dorsal fin – single, all other fins paired. 4. Minimum body length 55mm. NB: Two tail types are acceptable, The first is the Veiltail where the trailing edge of caudal fin has no apparent fork or pointed lobes. Minimum length of caudal fin 3/4 body length. The second is the Fantail form where the caudal fin is divided and forked and the top lobe to be held above the horizontal. Caudal fin to be held high without drooping, also to look fan shaped when viewed from the rear. Caudal fin to be well divided. Any tail type in between these will be down pointed according to the serverity of variation. Applicaton of Standards Fish will be bright and alert with dorsal fin carried high and caudal fin flowing gracefully and well divided. Body will be short and rounded with a smooth outline. Oranda Hood – to be well developed in all 3 areas, i.e. cranial, infra-orbital, and Opercular Redcap Hood – points to be given for hood development in cranial region only, which should be well developed. Colour Metallic group – self colours as listed in points table. Variagated – any combination of the listed colours in a pleasing pattern, and similar on each side. Colours to appear as burnished metal extending into the fins. Calico group – blue background with patches of violet, red, orange, yellow and brown, spotted with black. Red Cap – deep red, on cap only, the rest of the body to be silver/white. All proportions must approximate to the drawing. POINTS TABLE Body D/L Ratio 6 Dorsal contour (including nasal septum) 5 Ventral contour 3 Lateral contour 3 Eyes and mouth 3 20 Fins Contour and size of dorsal 7 Contour and size of caudal 8 Contour and size of others 5 20 Condition and Deportment Condition 10 Deportment 10 20 Special Characteristics Red Cap Cap-cranial development 15 Intensity of red on cap 5 20 Colour Metallic Group Self – red, orange, yellow, blue, brown, black 20 Varigated – red, orange, yellow, blue, brown, silver, black 20 Red Cap Red Cap 10 Silver/white 10 20 Other Groups (Calico) Blue, violet 9 Red, orange, yellow 5 Black 5 Brown 1 20 Special Characteristics Oranda Hood Cranial development 10 Hood Infra-orbital development 5 Hood Opercular development 5 20 [ATTACH=CONFIG]47387[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]47388[/ATTACH] Edited March 1, 2014 by xysti53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
