pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 There are 8 species of Thorichthys . I was wondering if any - other than Thorichthys meeki and Thorichthys ellioti are available in Australia . List of Aquarium species of Thorichthys --- Thorichthys affinis Thorichthys aureus Thorichthys callolepis Thorichthys ellioti Thorichthys helleri Thorichthys meeki Thorichthys pasionis Thorichthys socolofi I have seen Thorichthys affinis a long time ago but none of the others other than the firemouth and ellioti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I just searched the forum , and found a year old thread that implied that all of the Elioti in Australia had congenital deformities . I have seen Elioti without deformities , but as most here would know that does not mean they do not carry the faulty genes . I was looking at getting some but now I am not so sure . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneself Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 There is a thread about ellioti fry needing slightly colder and very clean water-the belief now being that 'inherent' deformities are actually caused by poor husbandry. I havent tested this het, but I'm thinking about starting breeding again and these guys will be an experiment...I cant for the life of me remember who, but someone on the sunshine coast was breeding them successfully for a while.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Interesting I will do a search - Thanks for the info . Might still be worth a try . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozmo Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I am currently breeding straight Ellioti from a very straight male and a fairly straight female. Both parents and fry are in separate tanks and both tanks, especially fry tank, are heavily planted. Here is a couple of shots of the fat little fry several weeks back after they'd finished gorging on Endler fry and baby snails... And here is the father followed by the mother... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neolamprologus Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I can see spinal deformities in all of those fish Less than most but still there At least you are on the right track With a few more generations straight ones may be the norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) I am trying to work out when the deformities started as several years ago they looked fine . Edited November 4, 2013 by pony-tail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozmo Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 My male is the best I've personally seen around for many years. That's not to say there aren't better specimens out there. He took a while to track down. The female is one from Roz. I wouldn't say it's a start more like it's underway as I have been successfully breeding quality like pictured above for the past year or more. I also remember [MENTION=4787]tangles[/MENTION] had a very good looking group as well. And I do agree with the water conditions being a major factor in producing good, healthy specimens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I have never kept them personally . I have been keeping fish for 50 years but non-Discus central Americans , about 5 months. if that ! I am getting on a bit and looking to move to some easier to keep and breed fish to what I used to keep . Less aggressive central Americans looked the way to go but mayby now looking less so . I hope I can get some good ones to start off - If not I will try something else (multispinosus maybe ) I kind of had a plan in my head until I read about the deformity issues . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 My male is the best I've personally seen around for many years He is one of the best i have seen (pics only ) in my research today. Some of the ones from down south have that wierd "Blood parrot" shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneself Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 [MENTION=5524]Daharkazangel[/MENTION] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozmo Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 He is one of the best i have seen (pics only ) in my research today.Some of the ones from down south have that wierd "Blood parrot" shape Yes. The blood parrot look seems to be everywhere. I thought someone must have been trying to create a short bodied Ellioti for some ridiculous reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 @Daharkazangel Do not understand this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daharkazangel Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Im breeding them (in secrect squirrel mode) clean water and colder temps in my experience thus far, creates a lower cull rate. However a straight pair will produce bent fry, and a bent pair will produce straight fry. The gene pool is stuffed, all Ellioti are bent, some show it worse. Hopefully with the likes of ozmo and myself (also from tangles) the gene will improve. One can only try. I dont breed to sell atm, more into it for the hobby alone. Quality not quantity Talking about Thorichthys ellioti only. Cant believe you forgot my name [MENTION=2912]goneself[/MENTION] ....sniff sniff. I have been quiet, but have i been behaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneself Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I cant remember what I had for lunch, and you're surprised I cant remember who breeds what? Tough crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Now makes sense ! Looks like I am going to step back from breeding these . I am trying to make my life less complex these do not in any way do that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daharkazangel Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I cant remember what I had for lunch, and you're surprised I cant remember who breeds what? Tough crowd. Very disappointed! Tut tut.... Glad to see your just the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daharkazangel Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Now makes sense !Looks like I am going to step back from breeding these . I am trying to make my life less complex these do not in any way do that . Life wasnt meant to be easy! Still a beautiful fish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Life wasnt meant to be easy!Still a beautiful fish... It's not easy and I do not wish to make it any more difficult unnecessarily . As for beautiful fish - some are - some not so much . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozmo Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Hopefully with the likes of ozmo and myself (also from tangles) the gene will improve. One can only try. I dont breed to sell atm, more into it for the hobby alone. Quality not quantity FYI: Mine aren't from Tangles although I did buy some from him for my parents a while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daharkazangel Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 It's not easy and I do not wish to make it any more difficult unnecessarily .As for beautiful fish - some are - some not so much . Then go firemouths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodapwnsasmurf Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I think [MENTION=4093]Dexter[/MENTION] has some nice Firemouths if I remember correctly, Aureus are around as well I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I did...ponytail took my last fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pony-tail Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Then go firemouths I did...ponytail took my last fry. See already gone Firemouths . Have juvies from 3 sources . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 There are 8 species of Thorichthys .I was wondering if any - other than Thorichthys meeki and Thorichthys ellioti are available in Australia . List of Aquarium species of Thorichthys --- Thorichthys affinis Thorichthys aureus Thorichthys callolepis Thorichthys ellioti Thorichthys helleri Thorichthys meeki Thorichthys pasionis Thorichthys socolofi I have seen Thorichthys affinis a long time ago but none of the others other than the firemouth and ellioti I used to have a shop in Deception Bay about 15-20 years ago and sold plenty of T. aureus and T. pasionis. They possibly have all disappeared locally. If I recall correctly they came from Heinz Staudt at The Cichlidarium in Melbourne. Might be worth a call, if it still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
