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An algae I have not seen before.

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This alga that has the appearance of others in some ways, but colours beyond any I have seen before.

Any way I collected some along with a heap of others and I will see how it goes.

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Nice to see your still promoting this illegal crap. Protection and management of marine plants

You are an out of touch idiot!!!

Try looking at things a little closer or actually ask these folks at the places that enforce laws on marine life!

This is off the clubs forum.

This is an email to me!

As discussed on the telephone the collection of algae for private use in aquaria is permitted under the Self Assessable Code MP06 (attached). The code can also be found at http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/28_9109.htm

As you can see under Section 6.10 Table 1 Item 1.3 only hand removal is permitted and notification and signage are not required for this activity.

Collection is not permitted in declared Fish Habitat Areas. Declared Fish Habitat Area maps can be found at http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/28_9155.htm

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us via email or on the telephone number listed below.

Fisheries Queensland

a Service of the Department of Employment, Economic Development and Innovation

Southern Fisheries Centre

13 Beach Rd, Deception Bay Qld 4508

PO Box 76, Deception Bay Qld 4508

Telephone 07 3817 9533

And one of our guys did some checking as he thought the same as you, but unlike you he is not an idiot!!! Of course he was curious about mangroves.

First you need to know the regulations and legislation regarding the collecting of mangrove plants in your area. The regulations and legislation on collecting marine plants may be different in each state in Australia, so please find out more from the fisheries department in your state before you carry out any collecting.

For example, here in Queensland, all marine plants (including mangroves, saltmarsh vegetation, seagrasses, marine algae, dead marine wood) are protected under the Queensland Fisheries Act 1994. Section 123 of the Fisheries Act 1994 applies to all marine plants and penalties apply to unlawful removal, destruction or damage.

"Section 123 Protection of marine plants

A person must not unlawfully—

(a) remove, destroy or damage a marine plant; or

(B) cause a marine plant to be removed, destroyed or damaged.

Maximum penalty — 3000 penalty units."

However, certain permitted collection activities can be authorised through compliance with self assessable codes which apply to operational work that is for the removal, destruction or damage of marine plants if the removal, destruction or damage is necessary for minor impact works as defined in the code.

Limited collection of marine plants is permitted under Self Assessable Code MP06, specifically for:

Table 1 Code standards (maximum allowable disturbance and method of disturbance) for minor impact works for private purposes

Table 1 Work type 1.3 (page 10) of the Code – Removal and/or possession of algae for private use in aquaria

Table 1 Work type 1.6 (page 10) of the Code – Removal and use of mangrove seeds and propagules for private use for mangrove rehabilitation within or immediately adjacent to the developers property (owned or leased)

Table 2 Maximum allowable disturbance and method of disturbance for minor impact works for public purposes

Table 2 Work type 2.11 (page 17) Fish habitat rehabilitation or restoration works (including not-for-profit marine plant nursery establishment)

Alternatively, you may choose to purchase your mangrove seedlings instead. Once again, there are specific regulations and legislation for the sale of mangrove plants. In Queensland, legislation pertaining to buying and selling fisheries resources (including marine plants) is found in the Fisheries Regulation 2008.

Specifically Section 632 outlines arrangements and exceptions are listed under subsection 632 (2):

Section 632 Selling Queensland fisheries resources before second point of sale

(1)A person (a seller) may sell fisheries resources taken from Queensland waters only if the seller—

(a)holds an authority that authorises the sale; and

(b)gives the person buying the fisheries resources the number of the authority.

(2)However, subsection (1) does not apply if—

(a)the sale is authorised under chapter 7 or a management plan; or

(b)the seller cultivated the fisheries resources in a way that was authorised under the Planning Act; or

©the seller sells the fisheries resources after the resources have been sold by another person under subsection (1); or

(d)the seller sells the fisheries resources after the resources have been bought from another person who cultivated the fisheries resources in a way that was authorised under the Planning Act.

Oh and you are an idiot, or did I type that already.

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Firstly if you plan on putting links up to backup your reply make sure they work. Both of those state nothing.

Secondly there is no need to Name call.

And thirdly your first paragraph is then contradicted by your 3rd

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You are a regular heckler for starters and you called my actions illegal!

I had the same crap from your lot the opinions and disorders group on this ages ago saying the same things as you and far worse and when i spoke to the powers to be and explained what your lot had typed and wanted help, the email was sent with all info and the persons name so your lot could call to get confirmation, the name I took out when I added that info to our clubs collecting help thread though. The thread on the opinions and disorders site went along nicely as usual supposedly in the opinions and disorders groups favour until! Then once I put in the info and contact details of the powers to be proving they were uninformed idiots, the thread was shut down. Gee that happens a lot over there, when things go pair shaped as usual, my words get changed and it’s supposedly for some censoring reason other then they are about to look like idiots.

Why the hell any fool would look at a gov site and not call to check on non-clear regulations is beyond me? Oh maybe that’s why I call and speak to whom enforce those laws and or get put through to an actual patrol officer. Nothing changes with the crap emitters from the opinions/disorders and politics site.

See yah!

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Mate, your tank looks amazing. I have just purchased my first saltwater tank of 96L. If I could get my tank to look 1/5 as good as that I will be ecstatic!

It's not hard mate.

It’s a mess at the moment mate, there are many algae bits here and there i stressed to spore to seeding, so it will only get better. Little things like the pic that follows of one of my porcelain crabs having a feed while sitting on an acan coral are my fav things in the aquariums.

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The next pic was of the same tank with stronger led lights that cyclone Oswald killed off back then, it’s taking sometime but its coming back, but with only a tiny amount of sps, they are in the top tank.

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Have you got any advice you could share as to what direction I should be heading with my tank of 96L? I'm going to let my partner choose a couple of fish, my interest is more coral and fish probably won't be being added for a few months. I'm still waiting for my tank to cycle and as of tomorrow it will be 1 week old, so I am thinking 2-3 weeks more and I should be ready to start adding some coral. My tank has 36.6w of lighting in a 600x400x400 tank - 96L, with a filter flow rate of 1300L/hr. I was told at my lfs I didn't need a chiller, what can I and more to the point where should I start when it comes time to put some coral in there?

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For both fish and corals your biological filtration has to be large and remain clean at all costs. Individually corals are best kept with few fish due to corals not making much waste it at all. Also corals cannot exist for the long term when phosphates, nitrates and toxins are present.

Fish don’t care about phos, the other two will kill them eventually, but phos is no issue to fish.

Fish die from “stress” ,pure and simple and a couple of the most common killers are their time in the shops tanks and the trip home impacting on their gills.

The killer of near all our fish is pollutants in your waters causing a stressed death This is from any part of the nitrogen cycle, the PH as it drops when lights are off, endless excretions from corals as they show their hate for each other and all the time your fish is in that water drinking it constantly to off set osmotic absorption of the salt in the water, so everything that’s in your water, gets into them!

It goes, stress, semi or total organ failure, immune system collapse internally and with in their essential outer immune system with in their mucus coating and parasites now have a cleared way to attack, if they don’t get them, the organ damage and gill collapse will!

My two tanks don’t add up to much more then your tank in water volume, it’s just my external bio filter is quite large and it is impossible to become dirty in any way.

Never rely on the tanks live rock to do much of the waters bio filtering, big mistake for the long term! Set it up externally with what is called a sump these days.

The main things are get a cheap venturi skimmer with out the silly needle/pin wheel that break in time, that is if you don’t have a skimmer, mine was only $22 not including pump. If you want to avoid so much bio filtration, you can use reactor style filtration to pretty much do 70 percent of what a large bio filter can do.

Don’t try a marine aquarium with out a chiller or continual temp control of some kind, salt water reacts badly in a million ways when temps rise!

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Nice algae mate and your tank is coming back along well. Are those pink guys on the left hand side sun corals? I though they don't like direct light? Ie under a ledge or something?

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The lights over that tank are just 10 watt 2 foot led tubes with quarter watt diodes, very weak lighting is fine for them, plus I chose ones that were in the light any way. We have at least 8 species here in SEQ of tropical and semi temperate and three like the light and al look similar sort of. The strong light species are common in the sun shine coasts estuaries, when the rains don't wipe them out and have to start again. It’s just that they are more rare and harder to find then the common light sensitive types that are in the millions under ledges and in caves that have the capacity for current to pass through carrying their foods.

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You are a regular heckler for starters and you called my actions illegal!

I had the same crap from your lot the opinions and disorders group on this ages ago saying the same things as you and far worse and when i spoke to the powers to be and explained what your lot had typed and wanted help, the email was sent with all info and the persons name so your lot could call to get confirmation, the name I took out when I added that info to our clubs collecting help thread though. The thread on the opinions and disorders site went along nicely as usual supposedly in the opinions and disorders groups favour until! Then once I put in the info and contact details of the powers to be proving they were uninformed idiots, the thread was shut down. Gee that happens a lot over there, when things go pair shaped as usual, my words get changed and it’s supposedly for some censoring reason other then they are about to look like idiots.

Why the hell any fool would look at a gov site and not call to check on non-clear regulations is beyond me? Oh maybe that’s why I call and speak to whom enforce those laws and or get put through to an actual patrol officer. Nothing changes with the crap emitters from the opinions/disorders and politics site.

See yah!

regardless of whether they are legal or not, i would just like to voice an opinion as to why i dislike what you do in your "collection" activities, now im not going to call you names like you did to me.

firstly my biggest issue with what your group does, is that in general you target easily accessible areas. these are the areas people such as myself enjoy exploring and enjoying the marine life at these locations, your group and others like you take all the good things from these areas and keep them in personal tanks for your own enjoyment.

yes, while collecting from these areas is legal perhaps thinking about the consequences and how it affects everyone who visits these places in the bigger picture would be a good idea. i know i first became interested in marine aquariums after exploring rockpools for countless hours. but maybe what your doing will stop the next generation of reef keepers from becoming interested.

and us "hecklers" from that other site. one thing we always asked for was photos of your tank over a period of time a year for example. literally every single photo you took showed a very different tank. it must be easy to have an amazing looking tank when your collecting fresh corals to replace the gaps of ones that i presume have died.

sure maybe im the **** in this scenario or perhaps not, i mean im not taking things away from hundreds of people for my own personal pleasure.

this quote is taken directly off your collecting site

" Why collect your own aquarium species?

Post liquidg on 13th December 2013, 1:11 pm

The educational benefits from watching and understanding how they live in the wild, is invaluable."

so educationally its invaluable to view them in the wild? yet you remove them from the wild?

just adding more to my case.... 25mm minimum net hole diameter for collecting that below is an illegal collection net.

http://imageshack.us/a/img7/5956/gobi1.jpg

oh and again

http://imageshack.us/a/img441/6295/reddragonent.jpg

this net is clearly ILLEGAL

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss69/SEQdivespots/Cleveland%20point%20shrimp%20trip%2028th%20march%202010/coral-catfish-1.jpg

also the prescribed equipment that can be used for collection is complete. you cant use bottles like many of your photos have.

im done, i dont need to justify that what you and your group do in parts is ILLEGAL.

http://www.daff.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/53888/Rec-fishing-regs.pdf

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When working with commercial collectors and off their permits as I have done for 16 years, and one of our guys still does, that mesh was not illegal,idiot!!!

Where do you think all these species at shops you and all others buy come from? We have three members who are permitted commercial collectors and others have come through the club and know those spots that you do not know. 99.9 percent of all you buy come from the ocean and in the thousands by each commercial collector each week! Why don’t you all stop buying them and nothing is collected?

Myself and others that get their own aquarium life, learn from what we see and collect, accumulating so much knowledge that is obviously far beyond what you are able to comprehend and in your words it shows considerably.

It is obvious you know virtually noting about the oceans functions and other contributing factors that directly affect the ocean, especially the damage that human numbers with pollution have caused to shore dive sites via climate change.

A not very well hidden envy of what some others can do that you can not and would not begin to be able to find what we can any way and a fear of the ocean has provided you with an extra disorder,where opinions, disorders and politics rain supreme, there you most certainly belong.

Keep breeding and using man made devices, man made consumables and you will have done far more that is adverse to the ocean then all of us "collectors" could ever achieve.

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Hey I just remembered, now why has this idiotic rambling about the illegal algae stoped, well, what happened to that crap you were on about?

Did you find out they were the ramblings of an idiot and they were wrong? Did you find out that a recreational collector can accumulated the equivalent of a max of two ten litre buckets of marine plants under the self assessment regulations, is that the case?

I wonder if we had checked on that not long ago, gee hey, wouldn’t that be legal of us,hhmmm.

Disorders belong, you know where!!

Oh yeh and some of our guys sponge off the others with boating licenses so they can go out in boats but can not drive them, sponges aren't they!!!

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I had one of the guys drink some of my boating water I take out and loaned a mask strap to another a few months back when his broke, then my snorkel vent failed some time back and one of the guys had a spare snorkel, holly hell we are all bloody sponges!!!!!! Il like the pink sponges,non of us are actually pink, I mean living sponges, oh shivers maybe they are illegal to take????

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We have had two guys over the years become marine biologists, one was not young but still did the years work, another became a marine science specialist that works with fish farms now and they are all acting illegally, I assume!!!

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From a 2008/09 free dives and low tide stuff and yes we found out that they are not allowed to be taken any more, so that’s old news but a legitimate concern, for back then. The first was found dead anyway, the second we one was caught in our shrimp trap, I will put a pic up of a legal one we use, we learnt that from a fisheries officer who saw those and told one of our guys and sent us a link on those regulations.

So that was semi legit!

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There is another pic of the same pipe fish that day in one of your links, still from back then.

This is from Danny’s trip to the Tasie with his wife and they checked out a breeding farm for sea horse and more, why he put it in that album I have no idea?

The thread that it should have been put into was-

Sea horse world in Tasmania from Danny’s trip

Umm and you also put it in twice???

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Same with this one.

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I am not sure but I think this one was eaten; dog sharks are a good feed.

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This turtle was in fishing line, nice the way it swam around the guys after that release, beautiful pattern on its back as well. I have a video of that release.

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Same turtle.

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This one was dead and floating on the surface, pic by Ian’s camera?, that was sad and it smelt a lot, these last two pics are of the same dead turtle??? What the ----?

I think Ian was taking pics and Danny that day.

There is also a baby leopard shark from 2008 in karls hands that is dead as well, the pic looks good any way.

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Some of what you are refering to are in this thread if any one wants to copy and paste these words into a google search bar and check it out-

(Other marine aquarium fish species found near Brisbane in SEQ.)

Make it quick if any one wants to look, I am making it forum members only to look any of our pics from tomorrow on to get rid of these time wasters that use to only come from the ODP site.

Plus the aandtsociety photobucket site that our pres uses, I will give him a yell, it will be made private as well to avoid more time wasters.

Just time wasting as usual???

Well we have already been made aware ages ago by those that know that sea dragons, horses and pipe fish are not to be taken and that is in that thread so others can be be aware that they can not be taken,all old news!

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This is that pic and the words with it in its thread. Good find, so illegal??

Any fool can see that the algae and other crap growing on that mesh is maybe not a ubute net of some kind, amazing??

I haven't seen this pic for ages. That would have to be 4 or more years back!

This one was found caught up in what looked like an onion bag.

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That one was in here as well, be quick-

(Other marine aquarium fish species found near Brisbane in SEQ.)

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Do you honestly believe that anyone on here is going to beleive that the turtle in the last two photos is dead?

You literally have an excuse for everything?

And changing your forum to members only because people are pointing out illegal activities shows known guilt.

And algael growing on that net above? You really are full of crap. That was from a low tide collection thread. Its not growing on the net, when the person has netted the fish with the illegal net, they have scooped up the algae in the water.

Even I know a school of coral cats leave a silt storm as the dwim through the water eating stuff off the bottom.

But please fill this forum with your self righteous crap.

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That's a single coral cat at a low tide trip and its under side is eaten away from being stuck there so it was sat that way to hide its damage, none of us would want a coral cat any way.

Where is the algae stuff you were on about, why did that stop???I wonder!!

Yeh, yeh, yeh,lol,lol, it never ends from the ODP boys so I am ending it.

Just got ready to go diving while having a cuppa and I had an idea, well several all in one, and you two useless time wasters inspired it.

Pardon me, I stand corrected in thinking you two are useless, you see I can say when I am wrong!

Now an idiot and a time waster, on a semi new direction, have inspired me for part of my Internet activities.

You see this is how it’s always been for my hobby, well mostly, and a little for diving and lately the internet, boredom sets in as another aspect of what I do becomes to easy from tireless work/experiments, so I get bored.

Reefing is painfully easy as is finding pretty much any form of life available here in the SEQ marine habitats and bringing it back safely and in top condition.

So when something new or semi new gets thought of, whether it be on my own or it has been inspired by idiots, it’s a now a good thing, these are the things that keep me from getting bored so I can move forward.

Some times I feel really stupid, something so simple, I should have thought of this ages ago!!!

Time to get wet, eerrrrr when that wets suit comes off,yukkk!!!

Thanks guys/irritants!

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